ron App wrote:
You're part of the happy majority...
Well, let me ask you this, then..
Does Finder search in non-indexed locations (like it did in SL) for happy majority? Or happy majority does not search anything in shared volumes?
Does Preview allow happy majority to rotate view without asking to duplicate or unlock file?
Does Preview does not go unresponsive for minutes while versioning? Or, happy majority does not edit pdf's larger than few KB and certainly not nearly close 200MB?
And, happy majority obviously does not use more than five devices (including mounted network drives). Because, if they did, they would notice that they cannot easily find the USB flash drive they just connected, because it moved out of screen at the bottom of finder sidebar, and is as gray as everything else there.
And, of course, happy majority does not care that files on the shared volume, created by other user(!), are unlocked for accidental modifying just because they were last modified less than 1day/1week/2weeks/1month/1year ago.
Indeed, good to be happy. Obviously, beta testers were also happy ipadists who didn't care about crap like enterprise users. Sad.
What is also sad, is that there are apparently still enterprise-users that do not learn the lessons from the past: RULE NUMBER ONE: never upgrade on the first version of a new OS.
You are completely right that about the flaws you mention. And you're propably completly right that the happy majority does not experience these problems because they don't use shared volumes, five devices at once, and don't care about file-changing. They're just other types of users. Not evryone is like "Ron app" and there's no need to talk a little degrading about these "happy majority" or people who happen to like tablet computers and the way they work.
The best thing for you to do is to stick with Snow leopard for a while (that's no punishment, I presume), and try again in a few month, when we are at update nummer 3 of 4.
Did you change the sort to most recent or did you leave it at most helpful? I just checked and the dates looked up to date to me.
Bob did probably leave it on "most helpful". If he had changed the sort to "most recent" he could not have written his post this way. Nice try Bob: if you don't like the figures just try to raise suspicion about them. The oldest trick in the book. But unfortunatly if you look at the most recent entrees, the outcome is still the same: a majority of more then 80% happy users....
I just left the local Apple Store here in Altaonte, Fl, ehre they have a very large sign at the door informing people of the the availability of Lion.
Speaking with one of the store "I drones, I was informed all of my problems were compatibiltiy issues, not caused by Lion..
I informed the young man that had I wanted a "I" thing toy I would not have spent 3800.00 for a laptop, I would have gotten the "I" pad or some other toy for far less money.
Lion is a ripoff, Apple is quickliy losing my confidence and may soon be one of those vendors I will not buy from even if it is a good deal..
I am done, I start the long trek back to Snow Leopard and hope to join a class action lawsuit aimed ay Apple for a destrctuve and invasive update.
I consider myself a reasonably advanced computer user. The first computer I worked on used vacuum tubes. (I know, I know, older than dirt). Anyway, I switched to Macs in 2003 with a Powermac G5 and then bought a 27" iMac when they came out in 2009. Along the way I learned a few things.
From following this thread I have to think there are some real problems with Lion for some people but that some of those problems were brought on because of lack of proper preparation. Something I learned several decades ago still applies today. If your apply an upgrade to a system that has problems already then you end up with an upgraded system with the same problems and more than likely some new ones. If the system is not in good order you either need to fix it or do a clean install.
Another common thread I would like to take exception to is the notion that Lion is just being dumbed down because of the iPad/iPhone crowd and these people are idiots. This is condescending in a major way. Quite frankly I use my computer as a tool and not to impress people with how knowledgeable, or not, I am. I am happy with anything that makes that tool work better so I can get the job done and move on. I spent too many years digging through schematics and books not to appreciate being able to get by with only the occasional trip into help.
Last point I want to make is if you are that into being a power user then can the pretense and figure out how to get around something you don't like. There are already page after page of how to articles out there. Just because you don't like a feature doesn't mean most people also don't like it. There are features in Lion that I don't like but I either don't use them or I figurre out how to bypass them. There is still a Terminal in Lion afterall. I am not saying don't complain but making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't help anybody. The world does not revolve around what I, or any one user, thinks is a mistake on Apples part. Like any business they have to try and satisfy the majority of their customers.
To sum it up, I installed Lion on the firrst day it was out. I went the upgrade route. The installation was smooth and quick. So far I have had only a few minor problems which were easily fixed. But then I spent a few hours over the few days before the release checking to see if the software I needed would work with Lion. I also did some major cleaning of my system and did a fresh backup. I then changed the TM backup disk to another drive rather than using the RAID array I used for SL so I would have a clear path back if needed. I then left the RAID array powered down during the install and several days afterwards. The result is that I am happy with Lion and will not be going back to SL.
And, I do have a FW800 RAID array, A FW800 JBOD cabinet and a NAS drive on my system. So far no problems with any of the drives.
After two weeks with Lion on my MacBook and three year old iMac, I'm generally impressed. I've gotten accustomed to some of the changes in Spaces (and made adjustments to suit me in System Preferences), and have become quite adept with the gestures and prefer them to the mouse except for very fine selections in,say, video clip selection.
The old iMac has new life, my unibody MacBook performs so well as to lessen my **** for a MacBook Air.
It has certainly not made my Macs "toys.". Then again, my first generation iPad is no toy. I've used it to create and present Keynote presentations at academic conferences and in the college classroom.
I need computer devices that allow me to be productive, to write, to edit, to create. I have no problem doing any of those things with Lion.
Apple's loss, I keep thinking about Sears a real powerhouse in it's day, not that many years ago, now they are K-Mart, same arrogant mentality brought them down... So maybe i't's ony 12% unhappy but that 12% can represent signifcant loss in revneue when the unhappy depart for better platforms...
And what better platforms would that be?
Come on, It's not like there's a major life-crisis or something. With SnowLleopard Apple build the best OS ever so far. Lion is much like SL but some things don't work well yet. And that's not how it should be, I agree. But look at the bright site: the same thing happened in the first month your beloved Snow Leopard was launched. A few month later evrything was fixed and we had the best product ever.
So lighten up and give it some time.
(a class-action law suite...you're kidding - and mind your bloodpressure, this tsunami of negative thoughts is not a good sign....)
I'm another one of those users who generally likes the Lion upgrade especially since I added a trackpad to my iMac. To echo the sentiments of Protagonist and Gary if you have any experience at all with any computer regardless of platform you learn the hard way that preparation rewards the end user. Cleaning up your existing system, tracking down software incompatibility issues, doing an extensive back-up and then disconnecting that drive from your computer when you do the upgrade should be a normal part of the process. I take it one step further by reading everything I can about the OS upgrade to make sure it's what I want and need and more importantly to fully understand the new features and how they might integrate into my computer experience. NEVER would I install the first generation of a major OS upgrade on a Mac that is integral to my livlihood. There is a price to be paid to be on the Bleeding Edge of Technology and the wise path is to be as prepared as possible before climbing on that edge.
That said there are some issues in this thread that are troubling. Is it Lion or something else? I do not know but I do empathize with those users. I think it going too far, way too far, to say that issues you may have encountered have soured you on Apple. Even if Lion is flawed one bad Apple product does not spoil the whole bushel of superior Apple products and certainly it's not worthy of a class action suit. Forums like this exist to help you back to Snow Leopard if you feel you must and sometimes that is part of the experience on any platform too.
Lion has features I use and like every day. It also has features I rarely or never use but then again so did Snow Leopard which brings up my last point. Snow Leopard had 8 upgrades to it before Lion came along. Be patient and Apple will address the Lion issues in a timely fashion as they sort through the mountain of user feedback and support issues that comes EVERY time Apple releases a Major OS upgrade.