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Q: Logic Pro 8 is not supported under Lion?

Is there a reason why Logic Pro 8 is NOT supported by  Lion. I have been holding off buying Logic 9  for the next Logic release and now I am a little dead in the water. Is my only real option to go back to Snow Leopard? I still don't understand how Logic 8 and Intel native app could fall over.

iMac, Mac OS X (10.7)

Posted on Jul 20, 2011 7:11 AM

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  • by Pancenter,

    Pancenter Pancenter Aug 1, 2011 1:43 PM in response to Mike Polar
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    Aug 1, 2011 1:43 PM in response to Mike Polar

    Mike Polar wrote:

     

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    I didnt by Apple to open an Apple programm with a trick.. I buy Apple because it works....

     

    I dont want to be dissapointed ..


    I suggest you write or call Apple and voice your disappointment, not many (if any at all) people from Apple will read your post on this forum.

     

    In case anyone hasn't noticed, Apple, as it moves forward is quickly dropping support of older programs with each update. Also, new programs like FCPX take a lot of resources and will force users to upgrade hardware.

    Which brings me back to the upgrade cycle. You are being forced to upgrade, Apple's software and OSX force regular hardware upgrade cycles, which is where they make their money. Logic 9 requires more resources, than L8, L10 will require more than L9. By the time you hit L10, you need a new machine...etc..etc.

     

    The reason Logic 8 won't boot is probably because of some PPC code in the loader that requires Rosetta.

    Seems like it would be a reasonably easy fix. 

     

    pancenter

  • by worshipvertical,

    worshipvertical worshipvertical Aug 1, 2011 2:57 PM in response to Mike Polar
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    Aug 1, 2011 2:57 PM in response to Mike Polar

    If I can offer a bit of perspective to this and have everyone back away from the ledge just a bit.

    Logic Studio came out September of 2007, which while it may not sound like a long time ago, was almost 4 years ago.

     

    At that time the switch to Intel had already been done for a year and yet Logic Studio still came out as a universal application that supported the older computers. Also at the time Logic released on Tiger with Leopard coming out a month later. Fast forward 4 years and we are on our third OS revision and something like 5th processor architecture revamp just in Apple computers.

     

    Logic Studio 2 has been out since July 2009, over two years and it's self required an update for Lion to function properly. Is there a work around to get Logic Pro 8 working in Lion, yeah there's a work around and it would be easy to say that Apple should update a four year old program to work with it's newest OS despite the fact the they dropped support for the PPC applications in LION, but I just don't think that's the case. I upgraded to Logic Studio 2 after Lion, something I was wanting to do anyway, and after upgrading but prior to updating I saw all sorts of goofy opening and saving issues likely stemming from the new save/resume/versions structure in Lion. It's very likley and even plausable that Logic Studio a four year old program would have required far more update to it's older hybrid PPC/Intel architeture that Apple was willing to do, more more likely, could do and still have a well working dependable application.

     

    It's all well and good to criticize apple for leaving behind older computers and software behind, and while I don't think that is a wholly fair assesment, seeing as how I still run Logic 8 on an 8 year old Powermac G5, I agree that Apple doesn't have the legacy support that Windows has that is one of the reasons the software works so well in my opinion.

     

    While Apple is in the business of selling hardware only the cynical would believe that is their only motivator. After dealing with Apple software and hardware for 10 years now the reason I still with them is that they are passionate about what they make and make great stuff that is not commitee designed. If you are dependent on Logic Pro 8 then stay with Snow Leopard or reinstall if need be or use the work around and take your chances.

     

    I'm glad I updated as I really like the improvements Logic Studio 2 brought and it's super fast in Lion on my, btw, 2008 MBP. With Lion supporting any even older white iMacs from 2006 I find it hard to swallow that it's all one big conspiracy to get your to buy new hardware. Newer software is always going to take advantage of improvments in hardware, always no matter what computer you buy. If you don't believe me run MS Office 2010 on a 6 year old XP box and see how it does, make sur eyou have SP3 though because SP2 ISN"T SUPPORTED. get it? If you want universal 10 year old comptibility with system crashes and dll errors you are on the wrong forum.

  • by worshipvertical,

    worshipvertical worshipvertical Aug 1, 2011 2:58 PM in response to Mike Connelly
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    Aug 1, 2011 2:58 PM in response to Mike Connelly

    To Mike Connely, my understanding it that you cannot simply downgrade to LION from a Time Machine backup but have to do a clean reinstall.

  • by Pancenter,

    Pancenter Pancenter Aug 1, 2011 3:54 PM in response to worshipvertical
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    Aug 1, 2011 3:54 PM in response to worshipvertical

    worshipvertical wrote:

     

    I'm glad I updated as I really like the improvements Logic Studio 2 brought and it's super fast in Lion on my, btw, 2008 MBP. With Lion supporting any even older white iMacs from 2006 I find it hard to swallow that it's all one big conspiracy to get your to buy new hardware. Newer software is always going to take advantage of improvments in hardware, always no matter what computer you buy. If you don't believe me run MS Office 2010 on a 6 year old XP box and see how it does, make sur eyou have SP3 though because SP2 ISN"T SUPPORTED. get it? If you want universal 10 year old comptibility with system crashes and dll errors you are on the wrong forum.

     

    Yep, and even though Lion supports the 2006 iMacs?, install one of the new software packages Lion supports and guess what... it barely runs, upgrade time. I certainly don't think it's a conspiracy but Apple's "planned obsolescence" is a fact and well known. My point was that in general, the time between the periods of planned obsolescence is narrowing.

     

    They weren't going to support the last version of Final Cut Pro until users created such a stink over FCPX that they back tracked.

     

    XBox?? That's a game machine, I wouldn't have purchased one to run MS office. And what's the big deal with SP3, it's a free 250MB download and will install on any PC.

     

    Apple IS a hardware company, all the software both good and bad is "designed" to sell hardware.

    You don't drastically cut the price on your top of the line software to lose money, you know that it will sell the hardware. The more people that can afford top of the line software, the more people will buy the hardware to support it. Run Logic on your 2006 iMac under Lion and see how far you get.

     

    The practice I don't like is that all of these packages are pirated, someone on this board was using a pirated version and called Apple for support (some gall) and they answered his query, no one even checked if he was a legal user. Yep, even those copies sell hardware.

     

    pancenter-

  • by worshipvertical,

    worshipvertical worshipvertical Aug 1, 2011 4:11 PM in response to Pancenter
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    Aug 1, 2011 4:11 PM in response to Pancenter

    pancenter, I hear ya. There does seem to be a shorter period of obselesence but I think that some of that has to do with the PPC to Intel transition. My point of the XP box, meaning generic XP Windows machine was that yes SP3 is free but there are necessary changes to the OS that allow you to run office. My thoughts on Lion and Logic after experience with Logic 8 and Logic 9 on Lion before and after updates is that Logic 8 on Lion the way it was compiled is probably more buggy that Apple wants.

     

    Kinda hard to say that while at the same time using FCPX but I'll give that a bit of grace since it's new and hasn't had any updates yet. Apple's a hardware company but also a software company and I think it works both ways. They didn't sell me a new Mac but they did sell me some new software and I bet their profit margin on it is pretty good.

     

    I dunno. When it comes to a professional DAW like Logic as full featured as it is for $499 it's hard for me to get worked up after having to upgrade after 4 years. and it's not techincally a have to. We have several options. Run Snow Leopard, use the work around, run Lion and SL on a seperate volume which I did for awhile. I just don't think it's all about driving hardware sales is all. I think it's more about the experience, the performance, the support on Apple's side and the brand, because frankly, it's the brand and all that goes with it that's going to sell the hardware. I wonder what % of mac users even use Logic?

  • by Mike Polar,

    Mike Polar Mike Polar Aug 1, 2011 5:42 PM in response to Pancenter
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    Aug 1, 2011 5:42 PM in response to Pancenter

    Thanks a lot...

     

    Im pretty sure Apple comes up with something cool or even an update.

  • by Pancenter,

    Pancenter Pancenter Aug 1, 2011 6:54 PM in response to worshipvertical
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    Aug 1, 2011 6:54 PM in response to worshipvertical

    worshipvertical wrote:

     

    . I wonder what % of mac users even use Logic?


    Nice post wv, thanks.

     

    Well, it used to be a very small percentage but since it's been "made available" in a lot of different places there's more using it now than ever before, just not legally.

     

    pancenter-

  • by Mike Connelly,

    Mike Connelly Mike Connelly Aug 2, 2011 8:03 AM in response to worshipvertical
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    Aug 2, 2011 8:03 AM in response to worshipvertical

    worshipvertical wrote:

     

    To Mike Connely, my understanding it that you cannot simply downgrade to LION from a Time Machine backup but have to do a clean reinstall.

     

    Sorry I wasn't clear, I was responding to someone who had deleted Logic 8 and needed to get it back.

  • by adamwalker94,

    adamwalker94 adamwalker94 Aug 2, 2011 10:39 AM in response to Mike Polar
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    Aug 2, 2011 10:39 AM in response to Mike Polar

    I feel the same as above. I've been using Logic for years now, I use Apple because of 1. education (music technollogy) and simply because it never fails me. I've had apple products since I can remember and I have never once had a problem with it.

     

    On finding out that Logic Studio 8 didn't work on Lion i decided to delete it, as I hadn't found out that trick of opening it up until afterwards, it's my own fault really, to hasty! But even so, it freed up a ridiculous amount of room on my macbook.

     

    I'm hoping that Apple stick by their word of their priority being customer satisfaction and realise that Logic Studio 8 is still a product they made and they should honour that and allow it to work on all their operating systems. As the user above says, I wanted to decide when to upgrade to Logic 9, not be forced to.

     

    I hope they do an update where Logic 8 can be installed onto Lion and used on it, however, if they're like any other money grabbing corporation, which they are, they wont do that, and force us to buy Logic 9 to get it working again, as for some of us, this is the only option as we use the program on a daily basis.

     

    It's a shame that Apple has done this, as it kind of makes you less likely to want to give them your business if they don't inform you of these differences CLEARLY before hand, instead we're made to ensure it ourselves. Bollocks. If a company upgrades everything, inform people who have the software that it aint gonna bloody work anymore.

  • by Pancenter,

    Pancenter Pancenter Aug 2, 2011 11:56 PM in response to adamwalker94
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    Aug 2, 2011 11:56 PM in response to adamwalker94

    adamwalker94 wrote:

     

    I hope they do an update where Logic 8 can be installed onto Lion and used on it, however, if they're like any other money grabbing corporation, which they are, they wont do that, and force us to buy Logic 9 to get it working again, as for some of us, this is the only option as we use the program on a daily basis.

     

    It's a shame that Apple has done this, as it kind of makes you less likely to want to give them your business if they don't inform you of these differences CLEARLY before hand, instead we're made to ensure it ourselves. Bollocks. If a company upgrades everything, inform people who have the software that it aint gonna bloody work anymore.


    The thing is, Logic 8 does run on Lion, it's probably not that much of a deal to fix as it's probably due to some PPC code still in the loader.

     

    pancenter- 

  • by JimmyBlind,

    JimmyBlind JimmyBlind Aug 3, 2011 6:58 AM in response to adamwalker94
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    Aug 3, 2011 6:58 AM in response to adamwalker94

    I think we're all a little disgruntled with the arrangement here.  The fact that there this is an unofficial fix makes this less of an issue of course.  In my opinion, if my expensive piece of software still works, then that's all that matters.  If it plainly just stopped working with no user-fix & rendered it totally useless, i might be inclined to  defecate into a bag & mail it to Cupertino.

     

    The marketing & politics involved are also understandable from Apple's business perspective, but perhaps unfavoured by their customer.  It comes down to whether Apple's focus is to please their customer or to benefit their business.  I see more of the latter nowadays. A business should value both equally, especially it's loyal customer base.  

     

    Apple would have made the call to either invest spending time testing & fixing L8's compatibility with Lion or simply market it's incompatibility in the store. (they actually only listed the compatible software & not the incompatible software, which is a sly rhetoric on their part I think)  If Logic 8 were to continue to function perfectly & launch in it's usual manner, we (the customer) might be disuaded from purchasing a L9 upgrade.  That would be a bad marketing strategy as far as Apple are concerned. ie time/money spent testing the software for zero financial return. 

  • by flexat0r,

    flexat0r flexat0r Aug 28, 2011 12:16 AM in response to Custa
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    Aug 28, 2011 12:16 AM in response to Custa

    i  remember years ago a small goup of professionells bought apple computers beccause of certain very special reasons. Those reasens become less and less. As more money Apple makes as more userunfriendly they get.

    Understandable. For what being userfriendly anymore when you alrededay got your house and swimming pool.

    For the moment its god for them, because ther is no big competition. But wait a few years, whne customers see a chance swithing to a better OS.......they get it straight back in the face.....with marmalade and Honey.

    I hate paying another 199$...I dont need logic 9 , but i guess apple needs my money.

  • by JdoubleU,

    JdoubleU JdoubleU Aug 31, 2011 10:19 AM in response to Robert Davies
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    Aug 31, 2011 10:19 AM in response to Robert Davies

    I just can't believe I have been unable to use Logic since installing Lion and that it is this easy to work around. Thanks Rob.


    However, it's cumbersome that I have to go through the Terminal and keep it open for it to work.

    Oh well--- I guess Logic 9 is on the horizon.

     

    Anyone using the academic version?

    Wondering if that will suffice for now.

     

    John

     

    Message was edited by: JdoubleU

  • by Pancenter,

    Pancenter Pancenter Aug 31, 2011 12:59 PM in response to JdoubleU
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    Aug 31, 2011 12:59 PM in response to JdoubleU

    JdoubleU wrote:

     

     

    Anyone using the academic version?

    Wondering if that will suffice for now.

     

    John

     

    Message was edited by: JdoubleU


    The academic version is exactly the same as the retail version except... it can't be used as an upgrade.

    So... you would be good for all versions of Logic 9, Logic 10 would have to be purchased at the retail price.

     

    pancenter-

  • by JdoubleU,

    JdoubleU JdoubleU Aug 31, 2011 6:48 PM in response to Pancenter
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    Aug 31, 2011 6:48 PM in response to Pancenter

    Thanks-

     

    Do you [or anyone] have a take on when L10 is to be released?

     

    JW

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