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What is your reaction to using Lion?

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  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (22,015 points)
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    Sep 1, 2011 10:12 AM (in response to Dr.Head)

    Facebook is another one to avoid. Don’t post anything there that you don’t want to give to them because they own everything you post, read the fine print. And it is not as easy as they make it look to get out of there.

     

    Thank you; I refuse to open a Facebook account for that very reason (and also because I do not care to have 5,823 "friends"). Same for Twitter or any other "social networking" site. I do have a Yahoo account to have a "junk" email address; even they sell your information within about 5 minutes of establishing your account - you need to dig down quite deep right after opening the account in order to turn off "marketing preferences" which are on by default - if you don't, they'll "share" your email address and any other info you were silly enough to share.

  • tonefox Level 5 Level 5 (7,680 points)
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    Sep 1, 2011 10:27 AM (in response to Lawrence Cragg)

    Lawrence Cragg wrote:

     

    the loss of "today, yesterday and last week" files. The latter was a really useful feature in Leopard

    They're simply set up. Go to the Help menu in Finder and look for "Smart folders".

  • Nanotechie1992 Calculating status...
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    Sep 1, 2011 10:30 AM (in response to Jay.Daiter)

    i love launchpad, mission control, versions, and resume. i haven't quite adjusted to the idea of auto save but i was really excited about that feature.

  • cornelius Level 6 Level 6 (17,825 points)
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    Sep 1, 2011 4:52 PM (in response to Csound1)

    You're right, of course. That should have been Office: Mac 2004. Sorry.

     

    cornelius

  • Douglas Miner Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Sep 2, 2011 1:05 PM (in response to Jay.Daiter)

    This is a follow up to the trials and tribulations of my Lion escapades. A quick overview: did all hardware and software tests and rebuilt permissions - downloaded and installed Lion on the first day (foolish, I know) over SL - it immediately blew away my TimeMachine drive and began crashing (beach balls galore, especially in finder, mail and Safari) - reinstalled Lion with no improvement - installed SL on external drive so I could work at recovery - imported data from new TimeMachine database created using Lion - Lion stuff was not compatible with SL, very few apps would open in SL and most DB related stuff (calendar, address, etc.) could not be read because it had been irrevocably changed by Lion - wiped my internal drive clean and reformatted - did clean install of 10.7.1 so I could try and save my DB data - brought everything back using TimeMachine - now, everything works - have been up and running for two days with no problems - lesson learned: to avoid the many crashes reported by myself and others, back up, reformat, clean install - in the future, that is the only way I will work as this whole debacle took over my life for nearly a month. Obviously, there are files lurking in SL that do not like Lion. I think Apple should strongly reccomend a clean install. Part of the proble is they tend to make it sound so easy and problem free, that we forget we are dealling with a very complex system. I am a pretty experienced use and should have known better, but what about the mom and pop users who just want it to work. I bet many of them had nasty surprises too. I just think a bit more openess about the potential pitfalls and ways to avoid them would save many people a lot of trouble.

  • Michelasso Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)
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    Sep 3, 2011 5:51 AM (in response to Douglas Miner)

    Douglas Miner wrote:

     

    wiped my internal drive clean and reformatted - did clean install of 10.7.1 so I could try and save my DB data - brought everything back using TimeMachine - now, everything works - have been up and running for two days with no problems - lesson learned: to avoid the many crashes reported by myself and others, back up, reformat, clean install - in the future, that is the only way I will work as this whole debacle took over my life for nearly a month.

     

    Glad it works, now!! Don't get me wrong, no one was trying to "patronize" you when saying that something was wrong with your installation. Even if after cleaning manually the caches and all kind of old junk I could find, I reached the point to have Lion running more or less smoothly, I took later the road to do a fresh clean install as well just to avoid potential problems. That for example fixed the issue I had with the login screen taking 20+ seconds to show up.

  • macpeople1 Calculating status...
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    Sep 3, 2011 9:03 AM (in response to Douglas Miner)

    Douglas

     

    I'm very happy for you that you got your issues resolved and very concerned it took a pre-emptive nuke attack on your Mac to get to that happy place. Like most everybody else here it would be a major drag to have to do a clean install when a new OS version is released. It's not complicated but it adds layers and layers of time to the process and if you have more than one Mac it becomes a nightmare.

     

    Still you are up and running and that's always good.

  • capt huffnpuff Calculating status...
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    Sep 3, 2011 9:50 AM (in response to Terence Devlin)

    Why throw the baby out with the dishwater? "Paradigm shifts" are a nice code word but rarely as successful as the ad-men seem to think they are. I need a full function computer, not a handy dandy limited feature device. I don't want my computer to work like an Ipad. I want it to work, period!

  • Jerry Dalton1 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Sep 3, 2011 2:11 PM (in response to Jay.Daiter)

    I'm in the tech field (EE) and use computers extensively, CAD, report writing, e-mail, engineering calculations, etc. Over the years, I have used various OS's. My favorite was Sun OS but that's not important. I bought a Mac a few years back because I wanted a new computer and something other than Windows. I also wanted to have my home comuter be my fun computer and not be related to work in any way. That was about the time of Pahther I think, and since Mac OS was based on UNIX I bought my first Apple Computer, a PowerBook. I loved it. I never looked back, I'm an Apple boy now, I own many Apple devices and I like them all.

     

    Then a strange thing started happening, I would be working at home and I would think "wow this is nice I wish I could do this at work". When Apple switched to the Intel processor, it became possible, so I switched over to a Mac at work, using Aqua as the primary interface and running Windows in a window under Parallels. I found that MacOS improved productivity. Specifically using Spotlight, Expose, Quick View, I could do things faster and more efficently. I recommended the Mac to others for that reason, and I saw a great increase in the number of people using Apples Computers and MacOSX.  Most once having got used to OSX, really liked it, finding it to be more productive and intutive, and fun.  Now I hardly use Windows at all, I have found native Mac programs for almost all that I need. I still must run Windows now and then but it's really great to be able to do both.

     

    At home I'm an early adopter. (my home computer is my hobby).  So I downloaded and installed Lion right away.

     

    My reaction to using Lion?

     

    (1) Lion is a great OS for a 12" screen.  

    (2) I like the new Mail program

    (3) I don't like the new spell checker

    (4) I like the improved security features

     

    But I don't want to use Lion at work.

     

    Lion doesn't help the power user like me who typically uses multiple monitors with various apps open in many windows. I was really disappointed that the things I found so useful and efficent in SL were gone or changed in ways that made them less effective and made me less productive in the big/multiple screen environment. After a week I restored Snow Leopard on my home computer. I can boot either one, but I'm writing this from Snow Leopard. The jury is in.

     

    Ater using both for a while I prefer Snow Leopard.

     

    I sincerely hope that Apple will see the need to serve both the small screen crowd and the power users because as it has been said many times on this blog, Lion, as it stands now, will make me less efficent in the power computing environment.

  • Gary Drum Level 2 Level 2 (380 points)
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    Sep 3, 2011 2:58 PM (in response to Jerry Dalton1)

    While you make a good case for the "power user" as one who uses "multiple monitors with multiple programs open in each," I'm uncomfortable with the distinction you make between "small screen crowd" and "multiple/big screen users."

    My work does not call for multiple monitors but I use both a 20 inch iMac and a 13 inch MacBook. As a college professor who teaches both online and "on the ground" courses and has taught video editing and does it personally as well, I have found Lion very helpful on both machines.

    Snow Leopard's Spaces were quite helpful but I've found even more flexibility and "power" with Mission Control. With online courses, for example, I need to be simultaneously working with Safari, as well as with Word (or my preferred word processors, Pages and Nisus Writer Pro), as well as dealing with student and administrative e-mails both through Apple Mail and the internal mail of the online client. Since the schools I do adjunct teaching for use Microsoft Exchange, I also need iCal and Address Book open often.  Often I'm opening a student assignments submitted to the online dropbox in a WP, making comments and corrections, re-submitting it to the online environment, opening assignments and documents sent through e-mail and acting on them. I couldn't imagine that workflow without Spaces, especially on a laptop.  I'm retired as of Spring but teaching more than I did when full-time and Macs and Lion make me more efficient with my workflow. On the laptop I not only use Mission Control but a lot of apps in full screen. Full screen isn't necessary on the iMac but Spaces are vital.

    I also couldn't imagine this workflow in Windows. I was a Windows user personally until a decade ago and the schools I taught for and now teach for all use Windows (currently Windows 7 and Office 2010), so I'm still very familiar.

    To summarize, I may not need multiple monitors but I definitely - at least quite often - have a "power" workflow. There are deadlines to meet for assignments, multiple tasks to be done at the same time if I'm ever to have enough time of my own to really consider myself retired.  Snow Leopard was very good, but, for me, Lion is definitely an improvement.

  • Dr.Head Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 3, 2011 4:04 PM (in response to Gary Drum)

            “Snow Leopard was very good, but, for me, Lion is definitely an improvement.”.

     

    For you and your needs it works. For others it disrupts workflow. If everyone worked the way you do there wouldn’t be as many workflow complaints. However, for my workflow, regardless of monitors and screen size, Lion is has slowed me down to the point of being useless compared to Snow Leopard.

     

    So I guess one should consider their workflow before deciding to use Lion. Along with that, one should consider if they want to support the introduction of the iOS features to the Mac computer. IMO, iOS belongs on the iDevices and not on the Mac. Your workflow in Lion would likely function just as well with a “traditional” OS upgrade. In that case we would be discussing the usual quirks and bugs instead of serious workflow issues, and design concept issues of iOS on Macs.

  • Apollo471 Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Sep 3, 2011 4:27 PM (in response to Jay.Daiter)

    Have to say my transition from SL to Lion has been great. I haven't experienced a single freeze-up or crash. Workflow has been super smooth. Experienced very few bugs, all of them inconsequential. I definitely have recommendations on how to improve Lion (greater magnification on Mission Control thumbnails being my number one issue) and some SL behavior that people miss might be included in future versions, but all in all Lion has been a step in the right direction. Maybe the whole grey theme is out of control, especially conisdering that Apple has traditionally valued color.

  • Grant_M Calculating status...
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    Sep 3, 2011 4:31 PM (in response to Jay.Daiter)

    DO NOT USE INTEGO VIRUS BARRIER WITH LION. 

     

    If you are getting Lion kernel panics, IVB may be the reason.  I supect the new Lion indexing technology conflicts with IVB even though Intego say VB6 is Lion ready.

  • Jerry Dalton1 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Sep 3, 2011 6:03 PM (in response to Gary Drum)

    Your point is well taken. Thank you for the thoughtful reply.  I didn't mean to imply those who use single screens can not be power users.

     

    Maybe I should have said "Lion is great for those who like to use a single screen".

     

    However I don't understand why it has to be limited to that, a versatile OS should be able to accomodate multiple styles and multiple monitors.

  • Michelasso Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)
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    Sep 4, 2011 2:17 AM (in response to Grant_M)

    Grant_M wrote:

     

    DO NOT USE INTEGO VIRUS BARRIER WITH LION.

    Ergh... Actually I'd say: do not use any antivirus in OS X at all!!

     

    What's the point of an antivirus in Unix anyway... The only thing that they do is to clean our data from Windows viruses (if we received any), in case we need to send some attachments. Otherwise.. just a waste of resources.

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