9 Replies Latest reply: Sep 29, 2011 1:38 PM by fcpx < imovie ?
fcpx < imovie ? Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I was a iMovie 09 user untill recently purchasing fcpx.  I was happy with the quality and size of my videos exporting them from imovie using the hd setting

Now iv been struggling to match the quality to size ratio using final cut pro

 

any ideas for the best settings?

 

i record my videos in 1080p 1920 x 1080

the video im trying to export is from a trip to spain and the edited version is about 30 minutes.  i was able to match the quality of imovie but the file was like 80 gb...rediculous !!!

 

I have to be able to match or beat the quality of imovie 09 highest settings without having reciculous file sizes (such as 80 gb for 30 min)

i don't want to have to re edit the video using imovie, is there a way to send the project from fcpx to imovie?


Final Cut Pro X, Mac OS X (10.7.1)
  • 1. Re: How can i export a movie with same quality/size as iMovie
    fcpx < imovie ? Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    And i do have compressor 4 that i have been trying different settings with.  Will post if i find the right settings

  • 2. Re: How can i export a movie with same quality/size as iMovie
    still_learning Level 3 Level 3 (785 points)

    Create a setting in Compressor for MP4 output using 2 to 3Mbps and 24 keyframes at 1280x720.  This will play nicely over the internet and still be in high def.  It will go full screen and be a good compromise between bit rate (file size) and view quality.  Then, from within Final Cut Pro X and the Share menu, choose Export using Compressor Settings and choose the configuration you created.  It may take a short while to learn enough about Compressor to do this, but you will not need to do it again, and can from then on access it from within Final Cut Pro X.  Your file size for a 30 minute video will likely end up being around 300 4o 400MB for what would be considered the low end of high def with good video and audio.  If you don't have Compressor, get it.  It will be one of the best $50 investments you have.  It's essential for getting the best out of Final Cut Pro X and will take your craft to a pro level.  Best wishes.

  • 3. Re: How can i export a movie with same quality/size as iMovie
    fcpx < imovie ? Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    ok so file format is mpeg 4, there are 4 video compression options mpeg -4 basic, mpeg 4 improved, h.264 main profile, or h.264 baseline profile

    So which one would you recommend?

  • 4. Re: How can i export a movie with same quality/size as iMovie
    fcpx < imovie ? Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    thanks for the sugestion but quality is still lower.  why is imovie able to export higher quality with smaller file size?

    With all the options of compressor 4 it doesn't come close to the quality to size ratio of what i could do with imovie 09.  Microsoft just needs to come out with a good movie editor and they could put apple out of business.  apples ability to downgrade its products is making me want to sell my imac, *** apple? i suggest supporting avi format as it is the best for quality to size ratio.

  • 5. Re: How can i export a movie with same quality/size as iMovie
    still_learning Level 3 Level 3 (785 points)

    You need h.264 main profile. Your bitrate will be the single biggest determining factor for how big your file is.  You can tradeoff bitrate anywhere from 2Mbps to 7Mbps for online use.  In local computer use you can go to 10Mbps.  Keep in mind your camera probably shot between 15Mbps to 25Mbps for prosummer and upto 50Mbps or more for pro equipment.  Do the h.264 with 24 keyframes, 4 to 7Mbps (until you cannot tolerate the resulting file size any more), then choose Multi-pass. The multi-pass will improve things.  If, for example, your iMovie render was nice quality, but it was 2GB, and you want 1GB for the limit instead, try around 4 or 5Mbps at 1280x720, multipass at 24 keyframes.  It will take longer, but you only need to generate your master once or so in many cases. Play with the bitrate vs filesize until you are happy, then let that setting be your main selection for rendering.  iMovie does not have anything on Compressor.  You should be able to match, if not surpass, anything iMovie can do with Compressor.  It just takes time to fine the right combination.  Best wishes.

  • 6. Re: How can i export a movie with same quality/size as iMovie
    still_learning Level 3 Level 3 (785 points)

    Keep in mind you probably do not want to simply choose one of the presets in Compressor, but need to make your own with above specs.  Best wishes.

  • 7. Re: How can i export a movie with same quality/size as iMovie
    fcpx < imovie ? Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    ok i used h.264 main profile with 10 mbps and i am using multipass and size is 1280x720. i tried 24 and 30 key frames. quality is still lower

     

    iv been experimenting on a 1.5 minute video to save time.  I imported the project from imovie into fcpx and changed nothing.  looking at the file that was created by imovie for the same video it is 1280x720 and uses codecs h.264 and aac the file size is 115 mb the extension is .mov and the color profile is HD (1-1-1) and total bitrate is 10,512 kbps. and the quality is the minimum acceptable for me.

    The file i created using your settings above in compressor 4 is 118 mb and of lower quality. codecs used are h.264, aac, and Hint (not sure what hint is but noticed it isn't used with the .mov file) color prile is the same as above. total bitrate is 10,405 kbps.

     

    Im not arguing that compressor 4 should be able to surpass imovie but so far i have only been able to do it by making the file size rediculous (>50 gb for 30 minutes).  I created a movie that was recorded with the same camera (25 mbps) 1080p 1920x1080. imovie made this 40 minute video just under 3 gb and with the same quality as the movie i am experimenting with.

     

    There is a differnce between theory and practice. SO FAR THE RESULTS I AM SEEING IS THAT IMOVIE IS SUPERIOR IN QUALITY TO SIZE RATIO. imovie has very few options but the hd setting has surpassed what i have been able to do with fcpx.

     

    i am willing to try any settings that anyone sugests.

     

    personally i think i will try to export the movie at max quality then take the super large file to my windows laptop and convert to avi.  as in the past i have had much success with that format using divx. i realize that that is not the best method but i don't really want to spend hours re editing this video with imovie since the source footage is about 10 hours.

     

    Thanks for trying still_learning but i am afraid you are still learning.

  • 8. Re: How can i export a movie with same quality/size as iMovie
    fcpx < imovie ? Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    note that with my a program i have on my laptop i have created avi files using divx compression with near lossless quality with about 1.5 gb per hour.

  • 9. Re: How can i export a movie with same quality/size as iMovie
    fcpx < imovie ? Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    well the best solution i seem to be able to find takes much longer but gives me the quality to size ratio i require, here is what i did.

     

    using compressor 4 export using the setting uncompressed 10 bit (this will give you highest quality but at a staggering 10-15 gb per minute. 

     

    then import the file into imovie and export from imovie using the hd setting to get a higher quality than fcpx at about 100 mb per minute.

     

    i am still willing to try anyones suggested settings but so far this will give the best quality to size ratio.