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Mikey\'Tok\'Ra Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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Oct 5, 2011 1:53 PM

Ok this is a little anoying, every day when I check, I find I have cookies and cahe's for websites I visit and ones I don't.  Sometimes 100+.  When I remove all data, over the next hour or so most of the cookies and cache's return, no matter how many times I remove them.

Macbook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7)
  • Linc Davis Level 10 Level 10 (107,660 points)
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    Oct 5, 2011 3:44 PM (in response to Mikey\'Tok\'Ra)

    Always quit Safari immediately after deleting cookies; otherwise they may be replaced.

  • Linc Davis Level 10 Level 10 (107,660 points)
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    Oct 5, 2011 4:29 PM (in response to Mikey\'Tok\'Ra)

    I've seen other reports of this. What I do is to quit Safari and delete the cookies selectively using an application called "Cocoa Cookies." You have to delete Flash cookies and HTML5 databases as well. It's not as easy as it should be.

  • Linc Davis Level 10 Level 10 (107,660 points)
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    Oct 6, 2011 9:49 AM (in response to Mikey\'Tok\'Ra)

    You can block many tracking cookies by installing a Safari extension called "Ghostery." It's available from the Apple page on Safari extensions.

  • powerbook1701 Level 3 Level 3 (545 points)
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    Oct 6, 2011 7:07 PM (in response to Linc Davis)

    I too experience this behavior, and you can see numberous threads here in that the cookie controls, regardless of setting, always act like "always accept." Hopefully, this will be fixed in the next Safari update.

  • ds store Level 7 Level 7 (30,305 points)
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    Oct 7, 2011 6:49 AM (in response to Mikey\'Tok\'Ra)

    Research

     

    EverCookie

    HTML cookies

    Flash Cookies

    WebBugs

     

    Supposedly the only way to run a web browser is in Private Browsing mode all the time,

     

    Firefox

    Ghostery

    NoScript

    BetterPrivacy

    Click&Clean

    Ad Block Plus

     

     

    And even further, installing a hosts file addition and blocking tens of thousands of evil tracker crap and still more pop up.

     

    Apple is no help, they are in the advertising business themselves now. Safari on iOS devices has no privacy as it's a closed device. They even went for some time location tracking people and syncing that data back to computers which allowed others to access and see where the user of the iPhone was going.

     

    Microsoft got caught, Google got caught, Apple got caught, they are all bad. They all are watching everything you do online. Google records all your searches, you IP your OS make, your browser and screen size and anything else they get from their trackers all over the net.

     

    Trying to keep your online privacy between you and your ISP (which is recording your traffic as well) and your cell phone company, (who is triangulating your location 8 times a hour and saving the results) is a near impossibility except for the very best hackers.

     

    Only choice is to be offline, keep your private searches on public anonymous public machines like the corner payphone was in the past, still they can place hidden camera and record who used what machine and when.

     

    The only solution I can think of is to run several identical computers on your IP with automatic programs that browse at random, obscure your traffic with random junk.

  • powerbook1701 Level 3 Level 3 (545 points)
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    Oct 7, 2011 7:02 AM (in response to ds store)

    like I said, there is a bug with Safari and the cookie controls. I can visit apple.com ONLY and get several cookies like doubleclick.net and netflix.com cookies just from that, for example. It's a frustrating bug and I am really surprised that it has not been addressed since Safari came out in July. Before updating to 5.1, it worked as expected on "block third party cookies" and I didn't get any unwanted ones...

  • Miertreim Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Oct 7, 2011 8:27 AM (in response to Mikey\'Tok\'Ra)

    I think there are several variables underlying the bizarre resurrecting cookie behavior on Safari.  One of those variables is the feed reader.  Another variable is the top sites feature.  Another variable is the webpage preview feature.

     

    But I don't think that is why Safari loads cookies regardless of the setting.  I think that problem is related to iTunes and/or the AppStore software.  The iTunes Store can be disabled in iTunes Preferences through Parental Controls, but as best I can determine, the AppStore can't be disabled. 

     

    And it appears the AppStore is the future of software development and availability for Apple computers.

     

    I don't do Facebook.  I'm not interested in tweets.  I can't surf the Internet and drive at the same time.  So I don't need or want a smart phone.  I don't need an iPad.  And I don't want my home computer to look and act like a smart phone or a tablet.  I need power, speed, versatility and compatibility in a desktop computer. 

     

    It's not beyond my skill-set to drive to the Apple Store when I need to go to the Apple Store.  It is no problem to open my browser and navigate to those sites online.  I don't mind enabling cookies when I needed them.  So I have absolutely no need for an Apple Store on my computer.   

     

    But I'm afraid Apple has succumbed to a "most" mentality, and most people do not want to think that hard.  Most people want convenience; they want it now, and they want it as easy as possible.

     

    So it would appear my needs in home computing are not a consideration for those designing future software. 

     

    So there really isn't any need to track my every move online (or off).

     

    And I don't think Apple is going to fix Safari because it doesn't appear broken for most people.

  • andyBall_uk Level 6 Level 6 (17,470 points)
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    Oct 7, 2011 9:21 AM (in response to powerbook1701)

    I get cache for doubleclick from apple.com, certainly not cookies

    I don't see how you get anything netflix related from that site - here at least, there's nothing from netflix showing in the Activity window (whereas doubleclick is visible) - so I wonder if something else is going on for you. Do you see anything netflix in the activity window  there? Run any extensions or add-ons, or anything third-party ?

     

    like a netflix client, or any kind of video viewer, say, or a dashboard widget, rss feed... anything that might add a netflix cookie, or otherwise access content from them (the skype application adds a skype cookie, for example).

  • Miertreim Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Oct 7, 2011 9:55 AM (in response to Mikey\'Tok\'Ra)

    Mikey'Tok'Ra wrote:

     

    I am getting a little freaked by it, at first I thought my system had been comprimised with all the random names, cookies and cache's  

    It was freaking me out, too.  I could probably figure out a way to work around it, but why bother?  I lost confidence in Safari.  I do not believe advanced hacking skills should be necessary in order to customize my computer.  All I need is an adaptable web browser, one that is compatible with the extensions I've grown to love.

     

    Safari brought a pleasantly uncluttered experience to Internet browsing when it worked, but it just doesn't work anymore.  It needs constant wrangling, and I simply don't have time to do that.  So I stopped using it.

     

    they need to addres this issue asap. 

    That's what I told Apple on one of the feedback forms I submitted.  I even said "please."  But I don't think it's going to happen. 

     

    When I clear out all web info they should stay gone not float back in 20 mins.  I know hae 191 items

    I think allowing tracking cookies to monitor my web activities contributes to delusional behavior on the part of unscrupulous advertisers.  It also slows my browser down and causes it to hang.  So long before Safari became unusable, I modified the hosts file to block the worst offenders, and I used Ghostery to keep even more away.  Ghostery works.

     

    I also took the Top Sites button off the toolbar and locked the webpage preview file because I don't need it. 

     

    But after the 10.6.8 update to Snow Leopard, the only thing that stopped third party advertising cookies was Ghostery.  Then at some point after the 5.1 update to Safari, Ghostery stopped working with Safari.  By that time, I had moved on to a stable browser.

     

    I might be jaded, but I'm afraid it might take the force of federal regulations to make developers offer privacy options that work.

  • powerbook1701 Level 3 Level 3 (545 points)
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    Oct 7, 2011 6:34 PM (in response to andyBall_uk)

    Your right, it is cache from doubleclick by going to apple.com. Sorry to be unclear.

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