Q: Disable autosave

KOENIG Yvan wrote:

 

 

I'm always wondering how self-defined "power users" are unable to open their eyes.

Yvan, your knowledge of scripting and workarounds is welcome, but your attitude is not.  You actually sound a lot like a die-hard Windows user dismissing Mac users dislike of Windows by implying that they're just too stupid to be able to use it properly.  The greatest, but rather intangible benefit of Mac OS has always been that it helps the user to get where they want to go and steers them around any pitfalls along the way.  Autosave increases the chance of you accidentally overwriting a file if you forget to lock it, and makes it somewhat more cumbersome to "Save As..."  Both are very un-Mac-like changes.

I don't know why you're so invested in this that you've spent 26 pages telling people how wrong they are to be upset that their workflow has increased from one step to three or four, with some risk for data loss.  But such posts are a huge waste of your time and ours.  Please stick to helping people work around the situation and leave the attitude out of it.

To be frank, Microsoft got this right with Office, and they did it 10 years ago.  I really don't know what Apple was thinking.

cesarpixel wrote:

 

I've just decided to completely drop TextEdit on my Lion iMac. I've replaced it with TextWrangler.

My preferred alternative to TextEdit is Tincta (free in the App store).

Now I'm on the way of finding a substitute for Preview. Too sad, I really _loved_ Preview.

For an alternative to Preview, try Skim (free at MacUpdate).

Maltz wrote:To be frank, Microsoft got this right with Office, and they did it 10 years ago.  I really don't know what Apple was thinking.

To be honest, Impression Publisher did this in the early 90s, and got pretty much everything else right for a program that was more than TextEdit but not quite QuarkXpress (in other words, a general use document creation program with layout capabilities). Even now, Word (and its quirky 'publisher' mode) still doesn't have layout features Publisher did in 1994.

I know, you've all never heard of Impression Publisher. It was a little known s/w package on a little known platform - Acorn RISC (yes, also the first to use ARM RISC architecture and chips before Apple had ever heard of them) that went bust a few years later.

Betamax vs VHS springs to mind whenever I think back to Acorn Risc vs Apple/Windows. I only decampled to Apple when Acorn was no more. Wish someone would bring them back to life (could be the answer to all our Lion/iOS woes).

I feel free to think by myself and from my point of view the choices made by Apple are valid ones.

I'm perfectly at ease with them. Maybe because for years I make an extensive usage of templates.

As I already wrote, if you disagree with them, you are free to use other tools.

(1) you were not forced to buy Lion

(2) you are not forced to use Apple apps dropping Save As (at least until third party application adopt the Apple scheme).

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) vendredi 21 octobre 2011 22:22:02

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I find that I frequently agree with your point of view.  In this instance, however, I make a strong exception.

Apple made a number of just plain BAD decisions with Versions and AutoSave.  They are bad decisions precisely because they have removed the ability to configure the applications from the user.

A simple on/off option would take care of everybody's wishes.

On a personal note, some of your replies do sound very arrogant.  I would suggest you should tone it down a bit.

Bob Peters wrote:

 

I find that I frequently agree with your point of view.  In this instance, however, I make a strong exception.

You are free to think your way but it will not change my advice.

Apple made a number of just plain BAD decisions with Versions and AutoSave.  They are bad decisions precisely because they have removed the ability to configure the applications from the user.

From y point of view removing this ability is a deliberate choice like the choice to hide the User Libary folder.

A simple on/off option would take care of everybody's wishes.

May be simple but maybe it's not.

And I'm not sure that Apple will ever embed such a feature.

On a personal note, some of your replies do sound very arrogant.  I would suggest you should tone it down a bit.

You are free to suggest that but I feel free to don't take care of it.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) vendredi 21 octobre 2011 22:44:40

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You are free to think your way but it will not change my advice.

That's just it. No one here has even the slightest interest in your "advice". Your repeated statements are nothing more than irritating to those who DO-NOT-LIKE this entire Autosave/Versions/Duplicate setup. Is it really that difficult for you to understand that all Apple has to do is give users a choice as to which workflow they want to use?

And I really don't care how childish this sounds, but I truly can't wait for the day Apple implements a change that drives you crazy. Then we can all tell you over and over to "get used to it".

It's a pity that when we say we dislike Autosave/Versions, it might look like if we don't like progress. I've enjoyed every bit of innovation in every new Apple product, and I continue to do so. But Autosave/Versions is not an innovation (or at least, not an enjoyable innovation).

OK, they wanted to bring iOS to OSX. That's nice, but do it well: You want iOS-like behaviour in OSX? Then start with the beginning: Implement the technology you need for a touch OS: Why do you need to install a third-party product like Inklet if you want to use the trackpad in a powerful way?

If OSX has to behave like iOS, I expect to use the trackpad to its full extents, and that's not the case. In fact, the trackpad isn't much more powerful on Lion than it already was on SL.

cesarpixel wrote:

 

You want iOS-like behaviour in OSX?

Listen, who in their right mind wouldn't want their $2500 Macintosh computer behaving exactly like a $29 cell phone?

Wonder how long it'll be before we'll have to sign up for 2 year MacBook Pro contracts?

I've been using Lion for many weeks now and I think it's probably the worst OS X update to-date. I'm a big Mac user & have been for decades but when it comes to Lion, I'm not a fan. Sure hope they fix the thing... especially Auto-Slave. I'm really sick of it.

Glad to write that I switched my operating systems.

Now, the iMac internal HD is running Lion which fit my everyday's needs.

Snow Leopard moved to an external HD where I may get it when I need to use some AppleWorks features.

As Bob Dylan sung : the times, they are a changing.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) samedi 22 octobre 2011 14:06:53

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You know the little check box on the RESTART window that never stays unchecked? Regardless of how many times you uncheck it, the OS will bounce right back to tell you what's best for you? Uncheck and uncheck and uncheck, it's just not intelligent enough to figure out what it is you want.

We have an admin in our office who calls this little window the "RETARD" window :-) Hilarious!

Despite how truly crappy and broken Lion is, it's really nice to know Mac users haven't lost their sense of humor!!

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PS_I had to copy the URL into a Firefox window because Safari 5.1.1 kept freezing & I couldn't scroll. Not that there's any scroll bars left to scroll anyway....

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Matt Schultz wrote:

 

You know the little check box on the RESTART window that never stays unchecked? Regardless of how many times you uncheck it, the OS will bounce right back to tell you what's best for you? Uncheck and uncheck and uncheck, it's just not intelligent enough to figure out what it is you want.

It's a good soldier which behave according to the way it was designed.

In Help files, it's stated that it is checked in the displayed dialog and that we may uncheck it.

What's odd is that it doesn't default according to the checkbox embedde in the System PrefPane entitled General. This odd behavior is already reported as a BUG !

PS_I had to copy the URL into a Firefox window because Safari 5.1.1 kept freezing & I couldn't scroll. Not that there's any scroll bars left to scroll anyway....

My guess is that something is corrupted in your system.

I never got this behavior since the delivery of Safari 5.1.1

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) samedi 22 octobre 2011 15:10:34

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luckily, there's one thing apple allows me to opt out of: receiving email notifications of this discussion thread, which has turned into an yvan-vs.-the-rest-of-the-world yes/no game.

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How boring. I understood Yvan likes to use turnarounds where others would rather prefer simple solutions.

Goodbye all, I am opting out of this thread email notification (just as I opted out of Lion - and got my money back).

Cheers