Chris J Witt

Q: Rosetta and Lion - Is there a solution?

I'm considering upgrading to Lion, mostly due to the fact it has drivers for Nvidia's 500 Series, so ATY_Init will be happy with it.

But, one problem... No rosetta, and a lot of the programs I use or test are not universal binary (Primarily Cocoa PPC or Carbon). So that raises the issue.

 

How would I go about getting Rosetta on to Lion? I'm assuming that it wouldn't be as simple as copying some Frameworks and Kexts... Do any solutions exist for this yet, like hacks or mods, or is it impossible? (Or too soon?)

Posted on Jul 21, 2011 2:30 AM

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  • by Allan Eckert,

    Allan Eckert Allan Eckert Sep 26, 2011 7:15 AM in response to cignet
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    Sep 26, 2011 7:15 AM in response to cignet

    It appears that Apple thinks the five year extension that Rosetta has already given to PPC code is sifficient for the migration over to Intel code instead.

     

    The big problems is that there are a couple of vendors who have not removed the PPC code from their product even after five years. I think that they will now finially see the light when they start losing market share.

     

    Besides after I did the migration shortly before Lion came out I found that the new products are so much better I am actually glad I made the migration over.

     

    Allan

  • by hageir,

    hageir hageir Oct 21, 2011 1:11 PM in response to Allan Eckert
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    Oct 21, 2011 1:11 PM in response to Allan Eckert
  • by Ronda Wilson,

    Ronda Wilson Ronda Wilson Oct 21, 2011 6:53 PM in response to hageir
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    Oct 21, 2011 6:53 PM in response to hageir

    Last copyright date on that page is 2006. Says it will work with Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther).

     

    I would be very dubious about it working with Lion.

     

    Other caveats regarding hard drive size make it questionable, also.

  • by Allan Eckert,

    Allan Eckert Allan Eckert Oct 21, 2011 6:57 PM in response to hageir
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    Oct 21, 2011 6:57 PM in response to hageir

    From what it say on this site

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PearPC

     

    it certainly doesn't sound like anything I am going to rush out and install any time soon.

     

    Allan

  • by MauiTechnoGeek,

    MauiTechnoGeek MauiTechnoGeek Oct 29, 2011 2:34 PM in response to Chris J Witt
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    Oct 29, 2011 2:34 PM in response to Chris J Witt

    The reason I need Rosetta is that the scanners I own are run by software that was never released for OSX Intel.  It is a real problem when perfectly good hardware, which has not been improved upon, is rendered useless by software upgrades.  The problem is that neither the manufacturer nor Apple has any financial advantage to keeping this hardware supported --- only me. 

     

    The manufacturer's support pages say to use OS X's ImageCapture software or VueScan.  But this strips out essential functionality of the scanners that is in the original software.

     

    Here is where Microsoft's superior backward compatibility policy may help:  by using virtual Windows in Parallels or VMWare to run the peripherals.  I haven't put it to the test, but will try.

  • by Ronda Wilson,

    Ronda Wilson Ronda Wilson Oct 29, 2011 5:24 PM in response to JB in WI
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    Oct 29, 2011 5:24 PM in response to JB in WI

    JB in WI wrote:

     

    Rosetta will not be supported.

     

    your only option is to partition your drive, install 10.6 on the new partition, and upgrade it to Lion, leaving one Lion partition, and one Snow Leopard partition.

     

    This is not a solution for people buying new Lion Macs which may not (most probably are not) compatible with Snow Leopard as a boot volume.

     

    Sticky wicket.

  • by daveyostcom,

    daveyostcom daveyostcom Oct 29, 2011 6:08 PM in response to Csound1
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    Oct 29, 2011 6:08 PM in response to Csound1

    Rosetta is an Apple product. Like many other parts of their products, it relies on software licensed from other companies.

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Oct 29, 2011 6:44 PM in response to daveyostcom
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    Oct 29, 2011 6:44 PM in response to daveyostcom
    Rosetta is an Apple product.

    No it is not, and never was. Rosetta was based on Transitive Corporation's QuickTransit technology, now owned by IBM. Apple had to do some work to make the PPC translator work invisibly with OS X, but they do not own the rights to the main code.

  • by Ziatron,

    Ziatron Ziatron Oct 29, 2011 7:58 PM in response to MauiTechnoGeek
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    Oct 29, 2011 7:58 PM in response to MauiTechnoGeek

    Why not use OS 10.6 ?

  • by daveyostcom,

    daveyostcom daveyostcom Oct 29, 2011 9:20 PM in response to Ziatron
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    Oct 29, 2011 9:20 PM in response to Ziatron

    There is a group of Macs, and it's all or nothing because

    Back to my Mac doesn't interoperate between MobileMe and iCloud, and other iCloud issues.

    No iCloud in 10.6; no MobileMe in 10.7. Checkmate.

  • by Ronda Wilson,

    Ronda Wilson Ronda Wilson Oct 30, 2011 12:09 AM in response to daveyostcom
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    Oct 30, 2011 12:09 AM in response to daveyostcom

    Ziatron's reply was to MauiTechnoGeek, not to you. Because of his scanners' problems, Mac OS 10.6 may be where he needs to stay.

     

    There is no Rosetta in Lion. Rosetta is not an Apple product.

     

    It doesn't look as though there will ever be Rosetta in Lion. (I hope I'm wrong about that.)

     

    So, we either have to stay where we are or forge ahead, whichever works best for each of us.

  • by MauiTechnoGeek,

    MauiTechnoGeek MauiTechnoGeek Oct 30, 2011 12:34 AM in response to Ziatron
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    Oct 30, 2011 12:34 AM in response to Ziatron

    I can't use 10.6 on a new Mac that comes with 10.7 installed.  But I certainly have a reason to hold on to my iBook now as a device driver basically.

  • by Neil from Oz,

    Neil from Oz Neil from Oz Oct 30, 2011 12:43 AM in response to MauiTechnoGeek
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    Oct 30, 2011 12:43 AM in response to MauiTechnoGeek

    And clever thinking MauiTechnoGeek. I have a 50GB Snow Leopard partition, just in case I need to use any ppc apps before I am completely updated (although the need hasn't arisen yet) and the 450GB dedicated to Lion is flying along faultlessly.

  • by Ronda Wilson,

    Ronda Wilson Ronda Wilson Oct 30, 2011 1:38 AM in response to MauiTechnoGeek
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    Oct 30, 2011 1:38 AM in response to MauiTechnoGeek

    MauiTechnoGeek wrote:

     

    I can't use 10.6 on a new Mac that comes with 10.7 installed. 

     

    There is always eBay or refurbs from the online Apple Store. Get 'em before they're gone.

     

    I saw the handwriting on the wall and bought my MacBook Pro before Lion was released.

  • by woodmeister50,

    woodmeister50 woodmeister50 Oct 30, 2011 3:27 AM in response to Chris J Witt
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    Oct 30, 2011 3:27 AM in response to Chris J Witt

    All this sounds so familiar.  Same old story when

    Apple dropped the Classic environment.

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