Currently Being ModeratedJun 19, 2011 6:49 AM (in response to Jeff Stube)
The "originals" folder is an overhang from the older version, the "Masters" is the new terminology.
Don't change anything in the iPhoto Library Folder via the Finder or any other application. iPhoto depends on the structure as well as the contents of this folder. Moving things, renaming things,, deleting them or otherwise making changes will prevent iPhoto from working and could even cause you to damage or lose your photos.
So no you can't delete them. No, as one only contains aliases, the amount of disk space used is negligible.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 19, 2011 9:58 AM (in response to Terence Devlin)
May I ask a follow up? Is there a way to backup the originals now, and preserve the folder names I've created? Masters seems to impose a date folder structure that isn't as useful to me.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 19, 2011 10:07 AM (in response to Saskatooner)
Note clear on your question
you can backup up your photos by exporting them (file menu ==> export) and saving the folder created on a different dirve
It is better to back up the iPhoto library rather than just the photos by using Time Machine or other backup program
When you speak of preserving the folder names are you talking about iPhoto folders or finder folders?
As to the iPhoto folder structure being useful - You simply should not be going into the iPhoto library using the finder - the iPhoto data/file structure is controlled by iPhoto and there is never a need to be in there - and as TD noted you must NEVER make any changes of any sort to the contents or structure of the iPhoto library - there are no user servicable parts in it
Currently Being ModeratedJun 19, 2011 12:15 PM (in response to LarryHN)
Thanks, Larry. That's a big help. But I actually do have a reason for wanting to get into the originals folder. In previous versions of iPhoto, photos inside "originals" were organized in folders that preserved the names I gave them or assigned to events. I could backup that folder and retain my own folder structure, even if I wanted to use the photos with programs other than iPhoto. Very useful for me, and one of the reason's I continued to use iPhoto even though I own Aperture. I should explain that I actually take in the neighbourhood of 30,000 photos/year, so I make 4 backups on different drives and DVD every year and store them externally. These collections are important to me.
I already also backup the full iPhoto Library, and you're quite right that this is the preferred way to deal with backing up in most circumstances. It's fine for now, as long as I stay in iPhoto or Aperture. Ten/fifteen years from now, I would hope I could still open these libraries with newer versions, but I'm not one to trust any company, even Apple, to continue to make newer versions of their software compatible with old libraries indefinitely.
Every so often, I can be sure to upgrade my archived libraries to new versions of iPhoto and Aperture, but as the years go by, and I have more and more annual libraries, it becomes a larger chore. Having the originals with my own filing structure available is comforting to me, but I realize it isn't everyone's need or preference.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 19, 2011 12:49 PM (in response to Saskatooner)
In previous versions of iPhoto, photos inside "originals" were organized in folders that preserved the names I gave them or assigned to events.
That hasn't happened since iPhoto 08. There is now no longer any necessary connection between the Events as organised in the iPhoto Window and the folders in the Library on the HD. When you move photos between Events in the iPhoto Window they do not move on the HD, renaming Events in the iPhoto Window no loner renames the folders on the HD.
So, if you were migrating from iPhoto you would export from iPhoto, an Event at a time to named folders or use
Currently Being ModeratedAug 21, 2011 7:12 AM (in response to Terence Devlin)
I found this thread while wrestling with hick-ups in trying to get my iPhoto library resynced with an online backup after switching to Lion.
Just to be sure: you say the Originals folder is related to previous iPhoto versions. That figures, because in my case it does not contain a '2011' folder, where the Masters folder does.
You also state though that it contains only aliases and does therefore not add to my HD usage. Are you sure? Because my originals folder gives a Finder count of 28.73 GB and the Masters folder comes in at 42,99 GB. Since I have to download missing pictures using a painfully slow internet connection, I would really only have to download the ones I really need.
I fully agree with the 'don't mess with the contents of the Library' statement, but I want to get to a library that is as clean and lean as possible. On that: is there a safe way to rebuild the library, including it's contents and meta data? My line of thinking is to create a new one and copying over all photos from the old one. I know this also gets rid of (smart) albums and projects, but those don't matter to much to me in my case. I'm hoping this process gets rid of any remnant files of privious iPhoto versions.
Thanks for a reply,
Currently Being ModeratedOct 21, 2011 9:36 PM (in response to Terence Devlin)
Follow-up comment / issue: It took me forever to backup my 40GB iphoto library in the cloud a few months ago (I use iDrive after giving up on Dolly / Time Machine which was never able to do a full backup of my drive). After the upgrade to the latest iPhoto the backup software now thinks that these Masters are new files so it's backing my entire library again. Consequences: 1. huge waste of time, 2. I am about to exceed my online drive quota because the photo originals are backed up for the second time (once in the Originals folders before the upgrade, and now again in the Masters folders after the upgrade). Is there any workaround for this?
I was excited about the iPhoto upgrade because I thought iCloud would allow to backup my library but now I find out that it only backs-up the "photo stream" and it is causing this entire redo of the library backup with iDrive. This is not a happy outcome.
Thanks for any insight.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 22, 2011 12:50 AM (in response to cedricSF)
Perosnally, unless you have a massive broadband connection I do not think backing up the entire iPhoto Library to the cloud is an option. As you say, it took "forever". Remember too, that restoring will also take "forever".
The fomat of the Library changes as versions evolve, as features are added. There is no workaround for this.
FWIW: my back up routine:
My Library lives on my iMac. It’s Backed up to two external hard disks every day. These disks are permanently attached to the iMac. These back ups run automatically. One is done by Time Machine, one is a bootable back up done by SuperDuper
It’s also backed up to a portable hard disk when ever new photos are added. This hard disk lives in my car. For security, this disk is password protected.
I have a second off-site back up at a relative’s house across town. That’s updated every 3 or 4 months.
My Photos are backed up online. There are many options: Flickr, Picasa, SmugMug etc. However, check the terms of your account carefully. While most sites have free uploading, you will often find that these uploads are limited in terms of the file size or the bandwidth you can use per month. For access that allows you to upload full size pics with no restrictions you may need to pay.
Every couple of months I test the back ups to make sure they are working correctly. It’s very easy to mis-configure a back up application, and the only way to protect against that is to do a trial restore.