Currently Being ModeratedOct 24, 2011 8:33 AM (in response to Fustbariclation)
Yup. Ugh. Try Camino. It's not supported anymore and has a limited lifespan (maybe) because it is not embedded like Safari and Firefox are, but it is also not giving up these kinds of crashes.
What I have noticed is that instead of locking up the computer, it merely locks up. I've had one in the last two weeks, on a flash-heavy site. A Force Quit is far easier than a full reboot.
Hopefully, either Adobe or Apple gets it's act together on this issue and fixes it in a future update.
Well, I've bailed on Lion TWICE already. The first time after I've downgraded to SL and wrote a comment in the discussion board, I was contacted by Apple tech support to help them gather information in the hopes of correcting the issues. I complied and upgraded to Lion again so they can capture whatever information they needed. That was couple months ago and I still haven't seen any patches to fix the problems documented throughout here.
I have been very patient and did every suggested solutions in these discussion boards (gfxcard status etc) in the hopes that Lion won't cause any more trouble for me. But I was wrong. Lately, my MBP (mid-2010) has been freezing alot (upwards of 3-4 times within an hour). So I have taken the plunge and bailed on Lion again and downgraded my OS to SL. I will miss the iCloud feature and the new mail. That's about it. I will NOT miss the constant fear of the MBP freezing in the middle of something I'm doing and the high temperature that it is causing. Until there is a long-term fix/solution to these issues, I will not be using Lion anytime soon. I consider my $29 that I paid to Apple lesson learn.
After 41 pages of discussion I am really surprised that there are still a lot of problems after upgrading
Lion is already several month out there but obviously it does not satisfy at all. Whats up Apple?
I'm workin a lot with Apeture 3 and it is not considered as one of the fastest Programms on a Mac (2011 iMac and 2009 Mini, 2010 Airbook). But now I am really afraid of upgrading to Lion. Together wirh Aperture 3 it must be even worse!?
Unfortunately it seems to be that there will be no update to 10.6.9 so the cloud is the only thing I miss with SL.
Hopefully there will be Lion version which will be more stable and bugless than today.
If not - the Vista nightmare for Apple will go on and I do not know what to do in the future.
I really have no complaints about Lion on my Macbook Air, but it is a brand new Core i7 Mac. My experience is getting better with Lion on my late 2010 iMac, but it is still a bit sluggish which is maddening. Startup is a bit slower. Some programs are a little sluggish and I'm experiencing a persistent slight delay when using a Magic Mouse.
Agreed. After losing more than 80 billable hours trying to get my late 2010 13" MBP sorted out I gave up and cut my losses. I went out and bought a brand new full spec MacBook Air, loaded it up with all of the same applications I had on my MBP and the thing works like a charm.
So it would seem that one key learning, as others have said, is to do a clean install of Lion. So now my less than 1 year old MBP goes to the Apple Service Center for a complete wipe and fresh Lion install and then I'll gift it to my nephew since the new MBAir is a better machine in nearly every way. Meanwhile I'm trying to get my wife's iMac sorted out, that may need to go in for a complete wipe and clean Lion install as well before I'm done. Again, moral of the story, Lion should have been a clean install not an "upgrade" from Snow Leopard.
The only other remaining irritants are the lousy iCal and address book in Lion. I finally broke down and bought BusyCal which is what Lion iCal should have been (perhaps they planned it that way) and when I find a suitable replacement for the lousy address book I'll upgrade that. I don't understand why address book on the iPad is good and they didn't replicate that in Lion. As for iOS5 and iCloud, so far smoot sailing.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 25, 2011 8:40 AM (in response to Larry Hutchinson)
I haven't used Mail, Contacts or iCal in a couple years. I am using Office for Mac and it works pretty well, especially if you use Exchange. Office 2011 for Mac seems to be working pretty well with Lion, although once every couple weeks, for whatever reason, I get the spinning wheel of death. Force close and restart fixes it.
Nor had I until the upgrade to Lion which drove my CPU into hyperdrive. The only workaround that seemed to fix it was dumping Outlook for Mac 2011 at which point I went back to Mail & iCal. Outlook for Mac 2011 is actually very good, I miss it but am going to wait awile before trying to use it again. Everything seems to be stable now so I'm going to take a break.
My main problem with Lion is the loss of my PPC applications. The Epson people cam up with a work around that’s awkward but keeps my scanner alive. But so far my OCR software (OmniPage) is a total loss. For me, the gain from installing Lion is not worth the aggravation.
I have an intel mac mini (snow Leopard) with the apple modem connected and set fax setting to receive faxs. The modem is plugged into my canon AIO on the telephone port.
Why would I do such a thing since AIO can send & receive fax? The Mini gets the phone rings first (have Canon set to high ring number) and accepts the fax and puts in a folder and sends me email.
The reason I did this is the fax spammers where chewing up my paper and ink, so I will leave the mini (don't use it for anything but this and to run wireless security cameras) on snow leopard until an alternative comes along.
So "old school" may not be fashionable but until the "new kid on the block" can do what the old one did and then some it's NOT better just different.
I have read a lot about folks who were caught off guard on the "no more mode" issue, how much would it cost apple to include 64 bit version of the drivers , maybe $.25 . Apple is splipping back to it's old arogant ways, never mind what the customer wants "we know what's better".
Currently Being ModeratedOct 27, 2011 8:41 PM (in response to RoyalFlushAK(s))
@RoyalFlushAK(s) We need to be focus? Focus on what? In how not to punch thru my screen when my lightroom crashes 3x in one night before I save my work?
F*** Lion, If i need to deal with this I would just stick to microsoft and their cheap computer system.
It's so depressing to read these messages three months after Lion was launched. I was very excited about Lion when it came out. I upgraded within the first two days -- and reverted back to Snow Leopard five days later. What a terrible, terrible operating system: So buggy and sluggish and poorly designed. Someone wrote that they kept looking for things to like about it and they couldn't find anything. I feel the same way.
I came to these forums looking for answers, but three months later, the bugs and problems that people reported are still filling up the discussions, and few have been solved. I kept hoping that by 7.2 we'd be further along than this. Let's hope that Apple pays attention to these discussions so that OSX 8 returns the best features of Snow Leopard and creates a more stable, usable system.
Yawn. These are troubleshooting forums, so all you will read here are negative comments or (as it should be) posts from people with issues with their systems changing over to Leopard. You will rarely see a positive post here, as people without issues rarely need to come here. That being the vast majority of people. Have a look at people having issues with the iPhone 4s for example. Count the posts and compare it to the 4 million sales in the first 4 days of them coming out and who knows how many since. Same with the Lion system. If you choose to go backwards to Snow Leopard or even back to Windows, then that is your choice and one that no other user will loose sleep over, as it seems that some like yourself only post in these long, well worn threads to try to get up other users nostrils. Doesn't work. You have no question, expect no answers. You want to make generalised statements about a system that works well for the majority, then expect no more replies.
hypocrite23 - You'll have to do a clean install on your drive. To get around Lion not wanting to be installed over by an older system, you have to start up from the Snow Leopard disk.
When you put it in, hold down the 'C' key as you reboot. Then hold until you get to the disk installer screen that asks for the language.. click past that and re-install.
Before you do, have you considered putting a few partitions on the drive? That way you can have separate, indexable volumes to keep your personal files in, and no matter how many installs and re-installs you go through, you'll have your stuff out of the way.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 28, 2011 5:51 PM (in response to Deborah Terreson)
I'm usually double backed up, but I'll look into a carbon clone before wiping the disk with a clean install.
Thanks for the reply. Apples method is too involved and wouldn't work for me anyway. I have lion backed up on a flash drive as well.