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Oct 30, 2011 5:24 PM in response to Ronda Wilsonby Philly_Phan,Ronda Wilson wrote:
I seriously doubt that there are that many users who need it.
I'm one. I wonder how many Quicken users there are? I need Quicken.
If I don't want to have to buy and install multiple applications to (somewhat) replace it, some with a steep learning curve, I need AppleWorks. There is no suitable all-in-one application to replace it.
I want my Ultimate Solitaire which I've been enjoying since the mid-'90s. (This one is not vital, of course, but it's not something I want to replace.)
Seeing the handwriting on the wall, this is why I bought my MacBook Pro in March, before they introduced Lion.
I am keeping my eyes and ears open for any developments of software which would make an easy enough transition for me to accept it.
I'm thinking that I'm going to have to have two computers when I eventually must upgrade -- one for the internet, and one for the real work I do around here which requires Quicken and, to a lesser extent, AppleWorks.
Unfortunately, Intuit made it painfully obvious several years back that they were abandoning the Mac market. I'm sure that you realize that that's the reason why they have not updated Quicken for Mac in the past several years and have not introduced an Intel version of Quicken and have stated that they will not do so. Whether you wean yourself away from Quicken now or later, it's inevitible that you WILL DO IT.
Appleworks was a really great piece of software when it was first introduced (about a year before the introduction of the Mac). Like you, I used it a lot but its downfall was the fact that AW files weren't compatible with anything in the business world. I haven't used it for nearly ten years and have kept it only to read old files. That obviously is no longer necessary because Pages will read AW files.
Finally, I'm sorry but Solitaire is Solitaire and there isn't much difference which version you use. In fact, you don't even need a computer - all it takes is a deck of cards!
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Oct 30, 2011 5:58 PM in response to Philly_Phanby Ronda Wilson,You are talking about two different versions of "AppleWorks."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppleWorks
AW files weren't compatible with anything in the business world.
AppleWorks Word Processing files are compatible with Word (and can even be saved as Word files).
I use the Draw and Paint modules extensively (Pages is no substitute), and I have some databases that won't convert to anything else.
I need the reporting capabilities of Quicken. These capabilities are not available in Quicken Essentials for Mac (which is an Intel app). Unless/until reporting capabilities appear, I can't upgrade(?) to Quicken Essentials (and Lion). I've been doing our complicated income taxes with Quicken since 1994. How anxious do you suppose I am to try to find something that works as well? There are at least a dozen financial software packages for evaluation. How anxious do you suppose I am to wade into those waters to find something suitable to our situation and learn what I'm doing in them in order to evaluate their suitability, when Quicken "just works"?
As far as solitaire, the solitaire game I like (Eight Off) is not easily dealt out with a deck of cards(!), but I'm absolutely open to suggestions for other solitaire applications. If you've ever played Eric's Ultimate, though, you will know that it comes with an attitude not likely to be shared with other solitaire applications.
An example of the multiple pieces of advice you receive at the end of each game:
Don't just do something — stand there.
I've thought this through quite extensively, as you can tell. It's why I bought my MacBook Pro when I did -- to have the latest, greatest that would still run the applications I need (and want) to run.
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Oct 30, 2011 6:04 PM in response to Ronda Wilsonby babowa,I use the Draw and Paint modules extensively (Pages is no substitute), and I have some databases that won't convert to anything else.
I use the paint module mostly - there is no substitute for the backgrounds one can create with that. And I create all my own graphics, cards, special effects backgrounds for movies, etc. from scratch (no clipart in this house!!).
So, I also need Appleworks - I'd be happy to switch to something else IF there was something else. To date, there isn't. Hence, I maintain a fully functioning and up to date Snow Leopard partition even though I've been running Lion for many months (on an external in the beginning due to the numerous KP's, crashes, etc). But I will keep my AW because I need it in my workflow.
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Oct 30, 2011 6:18 PM in response to Ronda Wilsonby Philly_Phan,Ronda Wilson wrote:
I need the reporting capabilities of Quicken. These capabilities are not available in Quicken Essentials for Mac (which is an Intel app). Unless/until reporting capabilities appear, I can't upgrade(?) to Quicken Essentials (and Lion). I've been doing our complicated income taxes with Quicken since 1994. How anxious do you suppose I am to try to find something that works as well? There are at least a dozen financial software packages for evaluation. How anxious do you suppose I am to wade into those waters to find something suitable to our situation and learn what I'm doing in them in order to evaluate their suitability, when Quicken "just works"?
Did you do any ranting with Intuit when they made it clear that your version of Quicken is the last version that they will ever produce for the Mac?
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Oct 30, 2011 6:19 PM in response to babowaby Philly_Phan,babowa wrote:
I use the paint module mostly - there is no substitute for the backgrounds one can create with that. And I create all my own graphics, cards, special effects backgrounds for movies, etc. from scratch (no clipart in this house!!).
As someone that uses Photoshop extensively, I really have to laugh at your love for the AW paint module. I guess that you pine for MacPaint?
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Oct 30, 2011 7:08 PM in response to Philly_Phanby babowa,As someone that uses Photoshop extensively, I really have to laugh at your love for the AW paint module. I guess that you pine for MacPaint?
I'm certainly glad to have made your day. I am not about to pay $699 for CS 5 and either CS Design (Standard $1,299) or Premium for $1,899, when AW Paint will have results such as this:
Your sarcasm (MacPaint) however was inappropriate and not appreciated. From your posts it appears that anyone not agreeing with your viewpoint will be the recipient of snide remarks; I will remember that.
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Oct 30, 2011 9:32 PM in response to Philly_Phanby Ronda Wilson,Philly_Phan wrote:
Ronda Wilson wrote:
I need the reporting capabilities of Quicken. These capabilities are not available in Quicken Essentials for Mac (which is an Intel app). Unless/until reporting capabilities appear, I can't upgrade(?) to Quicken Essentials (and Lion). I've been doing our complicated income taxes with Quicken since 1994. How anxious do you suppose I am to try to find something that works as well? There are at least a dozen financial software packages for evaluation. How anxious do you suppose I am to wade into those waters to find something suitable to our situation and learn what I'm doing in them in order to evaluate their suitability, when Quicken "just works"?
Did you do any ranting with Intuit when they made it clear that your version of Quicken is the last version that they will ever produce for the Mac?
No. I'm not prone to ranting. I'm prone to accepting what happens and dealing with it the best I can. Any comments I've made here should not be considered a rant against Apple or Lion. Apple does what it does, and I accept it and deal with it. Likewise, Intuit (which has developed Quicken Essentials for Mac as an Intel app, but leaving out what is "essential" to me) does what it does and I accept it and deal with it. Dealing with it right now means not upgrading to Lion, and maybe not ever upgrading again until new technology comes along that makes it imperative to upgrade. Even then, I have enough legacy Macs to be able to run the software I want to run, even if I want to return to OS 9. Currently, I have four Macs that are set to boot into OS 9, although I haven't started one up in a month or more. I could return to OS 9 for AppleWorks and Quicken if I wanted or needed to.
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Nov 1, 2011 1:25 PM in response to babowaby Ben Friedman1,This is his modus operandi! If someone desn't agree with his opinions he returns snide and insulting remarks. His insulting nature does not merit his ranking here. I was miffed when he stated the last insult and I learned to consider the source.
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Nov 1, 2011 2:18 PM in response to Ben Friedman1by Tom in London,Ben Friedman1 wrote:
his ranking
AFAIK, ranking is all about the number of times you post. So I could sit in here posting garbage all day long and I would eventually get to Level 20 or whatever the top level is. It's about quantity, not quality.
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Nov 1, 2011 3:21 PM in response to Tom in Londonby Kurt Lang,AFAIK, ranking is all about the number of times you post. So I could sit in here posting garbage all day long and I would eventually get to Level 20 or whatever the top level is. It's about quantity, not quality.
Nope. You could make a billion posts and get nowhere. Only the originator of a thread can award points. 5 for a Helpful, 10 for a Correct Answer. To keep users from elevating themselves, you can mark your posts in a thread you started if you want, but you get no points for them.
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Nov 1, 2011 3:45 PM in response to Tom in Londonby Csound1,Tom in London wrote:
Ben Friedman1 wrote:
his ranking
AFAIK, ranking is all about the number of times you post. So I could sit in here posting garbage all day long and I would eventually get to Level 20 or whatever the top level is. It's about quantity, not quality.
Uhh, no, you appear to be misinformed Tom
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Nov 1, 2011 3:58 PM in response to Chris J Wittby MauiTechnoGeek,List issue: I've turned all of my email preferences to "No" and I still keep getting an email for every post that is made here! What is going on with discussions.apple.com? How do I stop this?
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Nov 1, 2011 4:15 PM in response to MauiTechnoGeekby Neil from Oz,Until you get a fix, mark them as junk
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Nov 1, 2011 4:15 PM in response to Ben Friedman1by babowa,The "ranking" is only determined by the number of points - and those, in turn, are determined simply by an OP having awarded points - they have nothing to do with Apple or any "ranking". That is how the point system works here - the OP can pick any reply - helpful or not, deservedly or not - and mark it as the correct answer thereby awarding that poster 10 points (or 5 points for helpful) - except their own of course. So, one could assume that anyone having achieved level 4 or higher must be helpful and/or correct a lot since they've received so many points; but, since that is solely up to the OP, the system is not necessarily fair. A perfect example: I answered someone's question; OP's reply "thank you, that was absolutely the perfect solution" and then OP marked his own answer as correct......hence, I prefer not to focus on this system, but rather just help and be happy when I get a thank you in return.
Being impolite, rude, making snide remarks or launching personal attacks does not require any ranking - anyone can engage in it unfortunately. However, those posts can be reported and if they do violate the ToU, they are usually removed.
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