Currently Being ModeratedNov 8, 2011 2:28 AM (in response to Meg The Dog)
But why would they not?
Currently Being ModeratedNov 8, 2011 4:47 AM (in response to Meg The Dog)
My comment to your suggestion in the other thread is still operational:
Hello Meg the Dog:
The hosts read these forums. To be candid, I seriously doubt if many people would understand your suggestion. Those of us that have been around for quite awhile and have quite a few points are really disinterested in whether we get any more. The points are there to give an indication to readers of threads how others view the feedback. The idea is that people who have answered people to their satisfaction might have quality feedback that might be more valuable than other feedback. From here, it is nice to have someone say thank you for helping - the points are nice, but certainly not the reason I volunteer time here.
BarryiMac, Mac OS X (10.7.2), 4 GB memory,DSL
Currently Being ModeratedNov 8, 2011 9:27 AM (in response to Meg The Dog)
but - why is it a concern with making it optional? If someone wants to display the points, it does not affect them in anyway, and if you do not, then you have the option to do so.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 8, 2011 10:16 AM (in response to Meg The Dog)
I was trying to find the notice from Apple explaining the points system (and wasn't successful) - in any case, I remember the point they made (pun intended...) about "reputation within the community by acquiring status/points" or similar verbage. So, my take on it is that they believe it helps newer users by looking at how many points someone has: higher point total > more helpful/correct answers > more experience > trustworthy. In other words, I think they want them displayed?
Currently Being ModeratedNov 8, 2011 10:28 AM (in response to babowa)
That may be true - but also, on the privacy page, they advocate minimal privacy settings:
which I can decide to accept or not.
I think, in its simplest form, my suggestion is to add one more option to the privacy settings page - the display of your acquired points.
It would then be the participants decision, and doing so will not affect any other participant.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 8, 2011 3:11 PM (in response to Meg The Dog)
Assuming you are not asking this from a completely neutral position, can you explain, if you don't mind, why you would not want your own points displayed? If your request is neutral, then can you explain why some third party might prefer to not have their points tally displayed.
Off topic a little: there is often, I've found, a weak correlation between points and skill level. I think this is especially true for some who got points much more easily, as I understand it, in the pre- '06 format. One of the most knowledgeable helpers I've encountered here is under 5,000. (But this is a tired, old subject.)
Currently Being ModeratedNov 8, 2011 3:30 PM (in response to WZZZ)
When there is no cost to any, and a benefit to some, I say: why not?
In a way it is a continuation of the change made, in the last great forum redo, of stopping the display of the number of posts a participant has made.
Some believe the points system is important - let them display the points they have earned.
Some may not want to display points - it would be great to have that option.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 8, 2011 7:03 PM (in response to Meg The Dog)
>...and a benefit to some....
What benefit? You still haven't explained why some (you?) would find it preferable.
>Some may not want to display points....
Again, why? I'm not saying you are wrong, I just want to understand why you are saying this. "Why not" is hardly an answer.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 8, 2011 8:41 PM (in response to WZZZ)
I guess it comes down to personal preferences. "Benefit" referred to having the forum technology comply with the wishes of those (if any) that would use the option, and comply with their individual choices.
In any case, how is having less options on the way your online persona is presented better? What would a good reason be to require (as is being done de facto now) the posting of award points, when you yourself point out that the accumulation of points may not be a good indicator of the value of the postings?
Currently Being ModeratedNov 9, 2011 4:37 AM (in response to Meg The Dog)
I tried twice; I'm finished wasting my time here.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 9, 2011 7:00 AM (in response to Meg The Dog)
Your question/proposal i likely to receive the lowest possible priority from the Hosts due to the simple fact that, out of hundreds of thousands of users, you are only person ever to ask to have points hidden from public view.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 9, 2011 7:01 AM (in response to Meg The Dog)
But there is a cost to the community. The points do give some indication of a members abilities here and to lose that would make it harder to navigate the many posts here.
I'll be honest I do give more credence to posts from members who have higher points. If I ask a question and get to contradictory answers, one from a member with few or no points and one from a member with a higher point total (especially in the group I and asking the question in) I will give more wait the that persons answer.
I will read the other post, I won't dismiss it outright but .....
If a user doesn't want to display his or her points then maybe that user shouldn't be accumulate points at all? Maybe what we need are accounts that allow a user to respond but not acumulate any points.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 9, 2011 7:04 AM (in response to Klaus1)
I probably should bow out of this thread, but Klaus1 has boiled the value of the suggestion down quite well.
Message was edited by: Barry HemphilliMac, Mac OS X (10.7.2), 4 GB memory,DSL
Currently Being ModeratedNov 9, 2011 7:13 AM (in response to WZZZ)
i think the option to not disclose points is a great idea!
to answer the question "why":
I fully understand the benefit of advertising points as reputation.
on the other hand, many participants are vying for points. that's not intrinsically wrong since the net result is more questions answered. and that it makes people happy to chalk up points, as if they're almost playing an online game and the points advertise their accomplishment, well, good for them.
while again i understand the benefits of points, on the other hand, they're entirely abstract, and there's a kind of silly smallness to caring about racking them up. a dolphin jumping around a pool for fish treats gets more from the fish than we get from points. so why be a dolphin? why not answer questions for the sheer interest in the exchange of information?
correct answers can come from anyone, and if you hide the points, it's still clear who is informed and who isn't. Noobs frequently provide correct answers, and their answers are recognized, even without points. At the same time, experience also shines through without the points. Informed answers from experienced users stand on their own.
and then there are answers that appear to be designed to win points. people who answer questions with one word answers to clock up points and avoid answers that require more than a single sentence. obviously, that's still helpful as someone has received a correct answer. let those users spray the forum with point chum.
but there's also another class of responses that are more throughtful, conceptual, and discussion oriented, and are among the most helpful. these often involve users active in whatever field is being discussed, and points either have nothing to do with them, or can shut the thread down: question answered? boom, end thread!
For some, "egoboo," (the pleasure received from public recognition of voluntary work) is a key motivator to participate in online communities. For them there's points. But for participants who prefer to be judged solely on the basis of their comments rather than a badge of accumulated points, why not have the option to turn them off?
None of this is all that weighty an issue. Points aren't poking anyone's eyes out and i don't want to overstate the case. but to have the option, why not?