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  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (73,335 points)
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    Nov 9, 2011 5:59 PM (in response to braunmf)

    Regardless, Apple does not do what you want.

    Send suggestions here (which is far more likely to get something done rather than arguing here).

    -> http://www.apple.com/feedback/

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,255 points)
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    Nov 9, 2011 6:05 PM (in response to braunmf)

    braunmf wrote:

     

    Well on that we agree. I'm asking why you think it's unreasonable that Apple retain identifiable information to provide to proper law enforcement channels persuant to a lawfully obtained search warrant. I'm certain I posted that in the comment you resopnded to...yes, I did.

     

    Apple's position is that they don't do this because of privacy concerns. I'm pointing out that their position hard to maintain when the owners themselves are requesting for them to relinquish the information to law enforcement (not to the owners themselvse in case that's the confusion you and I are mis-communicating about).

     

    I don't want Apple to give me the information, I want Apple to give it to the police.

    Having seen Sony and others face massive legal issues because of 'Privacy Concerns' I am surprised that you need to ask that question.

     

    I do not doubt that when the police ask for information Apple supply it, again, as it should be.

  • braunmf Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 9, 2011 6:24 PM (in response to Csound1)

    They don't provide it to law enforcement. I explained that Apple's position is that they can't retain it.

    At this point, I think we're at irreconcible viewpoints so I don't see any reason to continue the discussion.

  • HuskieN Level 3 Level 3 (980 points)
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    Nov 9, 2011 6:32 PM (in response to braunmf)

    I'm just throwing my opinion in here, if people got all riled up over a rumor that Apple can track location data of iPhones, how do you think the public would react to Apple having even more information? It would cost them money is lawsuits that Apple would win, and would lower their reputation.

     

    Don't be so careless with your iPad. Lots of people want these things; and robbers aren't going to be nice and just skip you to rob somebody else.

  • HuskieN Level 3 Level 3 (980 points)
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    Nov 9, 2011 6:34 PM (in response to celliott147)

    This is wrong now and was wrong at the time it was posted. Find my iPhone was always a free service that any user with an Apple ID could use. It's unfortunate that most don't know how to use it.

  • targaman01 Calculating status...
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    Nov 10, 2011 8:27 AM (in response to HuskieN)

    HuskieN wrote:

     

    Find my iPhone was always a free service that any user with an Apple ID could use. It's unfortunate that most don't know how to use it.


    I am not sure why you would think that.  You must think that Apple users are a stupid bunch.  Whlst better than nothing, the 'find me' and 'lock' functions are far from foolproof.  All a thief has to do is delete the users email details or move the slider in iCloud and the stolen iPad will never show up when connected to the internet.  Which is exactly what has happened to my iPad2.

     

              HuskieN wrote:

     

              Don't be so careless with your iPad. Lots of people want these things; and

              robbers aren't going to be nice and just skip you to rob somebody else.

     

    I hope you never find out the hard way that, even if you are VERY careful, thieves can be VERY clever!

  • HuskieN Level 3 Level 3 (980 points)
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    Nov 10, 2011 6:38 PM (in response to targaman01)

    Apple users generally are a not so bright bunch as compared to the Android people who are generally techies, with some iPhone people in with the mix. I'm still an Apple guy, but it's just what seems to be the truth.

     

    If a robber breaks into my house, I'd have bigger things to worry about than my iPad getting stolen. My WiFi iPad never leaves the house, I don't have much use for it elsewhere.

     

    You know, do you think Samsung and those other tablet makers track their devices? No, they don't. It'd cost too much for Apple to include this as a feature that many people wouldn't even use. Not to mention the lawsuits from paranoid people that Apple will sell their information and give it to the government or something else.

     

    I don't know what you mean by move the slider in iCloud since I've never tried looking my iPad's location on my computer, but I'm pretty sure it'd need a passcode.

     

    Out of order, I know.

  • braunmf Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 10, 2011 7:09 PM (in response to HuskieN)

    Aside from being rude, you're factually wrong.

     

    Other vendors *do* lock their devices upoon reports of theft. B&N locks their Nooks and Amazon locks their Kindles. Both will result in an unusable device (short of the Nook Color where a thief can install an alternate operating system). In order to activate and use the device, the user must submit proof of ownership to 3rd tier customer support--the only level staff that can remove a device from the blacklist. So in fact, vendors can and do retain personal information and will blacklist a device and only unlock upon proof of ownership.

     

    Samsun is an OEM vendor of tablets so that's not relevant to what B&N, Amazon, and Apple do or ought to do for end users.

     

    Similar to the analogy regarding cars and GPS theft recovery, your position on this is based on ignorance regarding standard operating procedure. It's only Apple that refuses to provide this level of security for its customers for reasons that do not logicaly cohere.

  • HuskieN Level 3 Level 3 (980 points)
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    Nov 10, 2011 7:14 PM (in response to braunmf)

    Doesn't stop the thief from going to an area where there is no WiFi or 3G, and either installing a new OS on it, or resetting it. I don't even know why I got myself into this lost cause of a thread that won't gain traction, so I'm getting out.

  • braunmf Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 10, 2011 7:21 PM (in response to HuskieN)

    As it stands currently, there is no alternate OS to install on an Apple device and there is no way to reset the UDID of an Apple device. A theif can never alter ther serial of a Nook Color, either, it will always be blacklisted. The thief can install a custom android operating system, that's not relevant to an iPad discussion however, but will never be able to register the device with B&N and use it with the official software or get free wifi at a store.

     

    I'm not sure why you got yourself into this discussion, either, so far from your posts it appears because you were attempting to troll. Luckily, I can post the correct information and I'll leave it up to others to ignore your personal based insults at Apple users in general.

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (73,335 points)
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    Nov 10, 2011 7:32 PM (in response to braunmf)

    Regardless, Apple does not do what you want.

    Send suggestions here (which is far more likely to get something done rather than arguing here).

    -> http://www.apple.com/feedback/

  • Breezekeepers Calculating status...
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    Nov 29, 2011 11:16 AM (in response to dimashq)

         I understand privacy, but it's just a blanket in this case.  Here's what CAN be done, but isn't.  Apple has a list of MAC addresses asscoiated with their device's serial numbers.  A MAC address is much harder to "Forge" than just "Resetting" the device to factory defaults.  This is a combination of numbers and letters that are the "Thumbprint" of ANY device connecting to ANY internet.  If someone steals an Apple product, yes, tehy are going to reset it to bypass security protocols.  It would be phenominal is Apple woould work with Law Enforcement to give them the MAC address associated with the owner's device so it can be flagged.  Then the law enforcement could contact major Internet Service Providers and have an alert be sent to their department notifying them of when that device connects to the internet on that company's network.  Then, Law Enforcement could obtain necessary paperwork to obtain the exact location of the device's access point, and be that much closer to recovering it, with probable cause and legally.  THAT, my friends, is the real solution to solving this.  But, apparently, in America, who the **** cares what's right, or possible.  Glad I can go to Iraq to help ensure ***holes get their "Privacy" and our devices.

  • Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (37,450 points)
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    Nov 30, 2011 8:28 AM (in response to Breezekeepers)

    To quote Chris CA:

     

    Regardless, Apple does not do what you want.

    Send suggestions here (which is far more likely to get something done rather than arguing here).

    -> http://www.apple.com/feedback/

  • Lardazz Calculating status...
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    Jan 29, 2012 8:10 PM (in response to dimashq)

    I downloaded and installed the free MobileMe device finder. If you leave it some where e.g. Japan you and use your iPhone or another iPad to locate it. However we all know GPS is accurate for radius whose door would you knock on ? Suppose ten people have iPods in this area for stolen item who is the their ? Thats why there is no service of sort unless you have Mac ip tracing burned into iPad not sure if there are companies that offer such service. Sorry for your loss.

  • Lardazz Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 29, 2012 8:13 PM (in response to Lardazz)

    Sorry for typos I used my iPad. It should read "...item who is the thief"

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