just don't use apps that have the Autosave (Apple's implementation) feature.

You clearly haven't read this thread. For some users, they have no choice. They need, or want to use the latest version of Pages in Lion, or Final Cut Pro X. There is no way to avoid Autosave for these users.

woodmeister50 wrote:

 

There is really a very simple solution to the issue, just don't

use apps that have the Autosave (Apple's implementation)

feature. Done deal.  Move on.

Great!

Care to suggest a combination word processing/page layout program that matches Pages for capability and ease of use that I can "move on" to?

Care to suggest what I should do with several years' worth of documents (mine and co-workers') at my place of business that are in this format?

Now…care to do the above for Keynote? I'll spare you the trouble — there is only ONE alternative, and if you want to tout it for its "ease of use," prepare for me (and thousands of others) to laugh in your face.

In this and other threads, I have REPEATEDLY asked this question: what would be wrong with Lion's next iteration coming out with Auto Save and Versioning as the default, but capable of being disabled by the user?

No one has come anywhere close to answering this question. Those who've tried have failed — and when their failure is pointed out, have just melted back into the woodwork rather than acknowledging it.

Others, such as our Australian friend, don't even make the attempt...they just robotically repeat "you're behind the times."

You are right on the money, let people choose to use versions/autosave or turn it off... simple elegant and satifys all of the user base.

Many programs have offered the option of autosave, some use it, some don't... this is not exactly new... so please stop telling us we need to learn a "New" workflow, it has been around a long time, and I and many others have rejected it - for our needs.

This isn't difficult folks, just give us the friggen option.

That option will come so long as users keep demanding it in threads like these and others. Alas, until that time those demands will forever be met in these threads by this infantile argument that whatever Apple does is set in stone and we all must bow our heads and follow.

Lion has already cost Apple at least one sale: I was going to buy a new MBP this year, but Lion is unsuable as far as I'm concerned, and I say that as someone who took part in the beta testing program and am on pretty intimate terms with the inner workings of both Lion and Snow.

No, I'm not buying a machine that can only run Lion and paying over $1500 for the privilege. Instead I bought a cheap Acer Windoze machine to start 're-familiarizing myself with the enemy' in case Lion goes any further down the road of iOS/simple-minded computing.

I don't want the OS to control what I do; I want to control what the OS does. I know this is not where Apple are heading, and I may have to head out of the door after more-or-less 8 years of bliss since escaping the **** of MS-DOS when my current MBP dies (and just today the DVD/RW drive looks like its finallye gone kaput , not that I use it that much mind). It won't stop me complaining and fighting along the way though. Why should we accept this dummification of what was close to a perfect OS quietly?

An item of interest from InfoWorld...the second such article I've seen in the past week.

To be fair, the article points out that another firm comes up with different numbers. Both actually agree that adoption of Lion has stalled in the last two months, they just differ as to the degree.

Is Mac OS X Lion adoption stalled?

By Gregg Keizer

Created 2011-11-15 06:00AM

Adoption of Mac OS X 10.7, also known as Lion, has stalled, according to statistics from online ad analytics company Chitika.

"Lion's adoption rate has been less than stellar, to say the least," Chitika reported in a blog post Friday, citing data that showed Lion was only the third-most-popular of all Mac editions with a 16 percent share, behind both OS X 10.6 ( Snow Leopard) with 56 percent and 10.5 (Leopard), with 22 percent.

Chitika claimed that Lion's adoption rate dramatically slowed during September and October, with increases in those months of just one-fourth that of August.

Apple, however, has touted Lion's success several times since its July launch, saying in early October, for instance, that the new operating system had sold 6 million units, nearly double the number of copies sold of Snow Leopard during a similar period in 2009.

But Chitika's numbers are contested by another metrics firm, Net Applications.

The California-based Web measurement company had Lion in second place among all Mac operating systems during October, with a 26.4 percent share of the Mac market, more than 10 points higher than Chitika. In Net Applications' estimates, Snow Leopard powered 52.1 percent of all Macs, while Leopard accounted for 16.5 percent last month.

While Net Applications also noted a slowdown in Lion's adoption pace over the last two months, the growth decline was much less significant than Chitika claimed.

According to Net Applications, Lion gained 4.8 percentage points in September and 4.5 points in October, or about half as much as in August, when Lion jumped by 11.5 points.

Most of the gains by Lion have been made at the expense of Snow Leopard, Lion's precursor. Leopard, which launched in 2007, has lost only about one-fourth as much share as Snow Leopard since July.

That's no surprise, as Snow Leopard made up the bulk of all Mac operating systems prior to Lion's launch, and Apple made it more difficult and expensive for Leopard users to update to Lion. Another contributing factor is that Lion, like Snow Leopard before it, won't run on older Macs equipped with PowerPC processors.

The different results posted by Chitika and Net Applications are likely due to the different ways each collects, then calculates share.

Net Applications, for example, gathers unique visitor data from tens of millions of users each month who visit an estimated 40,000 websites. It also weights the data to account for the relative lack of insight into people browsing from some countries, China included, that have large pools of computer users.

In Net Applications' methodology, each Chinese visitor carries more weight than a corresponding user in the U.S. simply because there are relatively few Chinese users amongst its data. Combined with China's larger Internet-using population, that means one Chinese Mac user can swing the share results more dramatically than can one user in the U.S.

China has been a hotbed for Apple lately: In the quarter ending Sept. 30, China, Hong Kong and Taiwan together accounted for 16 percent of all Apple's revenues. Chinese buyers have been especially taken with the new MacBook Air, which went on sale there just over two months ago.

The Air, like any new Mac sold in the U.S. since mid-July, is equipped with Mac OS X Lion.

According to Net Applications, Lion powered more than one-fourth of all Macs last month.

softwater wrote:

 

I don't want the OS to control what I do; I want to control what the OS does.

My view exactly.

DChord568 wrote:

 

Apple, however, has touted Lion's success several times since its July launch, saying in early October, for instance, that the new operating system had sold 6 million units, nearly double the number of copies sold of Snow Leopard during a similar period in 2009.

 

Well, 6 million is an awful lot. Despite the number of people complaining on Apple Discussions, and allowing for those who are disatisfied but haven't posted, I guess that most Lion users are content. I just wish I were!

I don't like autosave too

I wrote:

 

woodmeister50 wrote:

 

There is really a very simple solution to the issue, just don't

use apps that have the Autosave (Apple's implementation)

feature. Done deal.  Move on.

Great!

 

Care to suggest a combination word processing/page layout program that matches Pages for capability and ease of use that I can "move on" to?

 

Care to suggest what I should do with several years' worth of documents (mine and co-workers') at my place of business that are in this format?

 

Now…care to do the above for Keynote? I'll spare you the trouble — there is only ONE alternative, and if you want to tout it for its "ease of use," prepare for me (and thousands of others) to laugh in your face.

Well, what a surprise...my requests remain unanswered! Funny how deafening the silence so often is in these threads.

In this and other threads, I have REPEATEDLY asked this question: what would be wrong with Lion's next iteration coming out with Auto Save and Versioning as the default, but capable of being disabled by the user?

 

No one has come anywhere close to answering this question. Those who've tried have failed — and when their failure is pointed out, have just melted back into the woodwork rather than acknowledging it.

I guess my use of the "woodwork" metaphor was well-timed in this case.

If you can get hold of iWork 2008, you can use it without worrying; it doesn't do the Autosave thing.

And regarding Microsoft Office, the Mac team in Microsoft said they'll implement autosave/versions as optional features in future updates. This is perhaps the first time in History that Microsoft has said one thing I applaud. I expect Apple to be more user-friendly than Microsoft, but that's not the case in this issue, where Apple is ignoring what the Mac user wants.

Yes it really doesn't seem to make sense not to have the option to turn it off. I can see some advantages, but is very hard to get used to. I too have sent feedback to Apple on this. But for now I will just put up with it for all the other things I love in Lion. But I can see how professionals find it annoying to work with all day.

Thank You

Alternatives:

Preview -> Skim (free in Macupdate) for pdfs, Graphic Converter (about $40) for images

TextEdit -> Tincta (free in app store)

Terminal -> iTerm2 (free, google it)

Keynote -> obviously there's Powerpoint, the only free option I could find was OpenSong.

Pages/Numbers -> Libreoffice (free, google it), or MSOffice.

softwater wrote:

 

Alternatives:

 

Keynote -> obviously there's Powerpoint, the only free option I could find was OpenSong.

 

Pages/Numbers -> Libreoffice (free, google it), or MSOffice.

I know you're not replying specifically to me, but in my earlier query I challenged a poster who said we should simply not use apps that give one no choice about Auto Save/Versioning to suggest "a combination word processing/page layout program that matches Pages for capability and ease of use."

I hardly need to point out that Word (part of MSOffice) fails to meet these criteria. Assuming its Libreoffice equivalent is built more or less the same way, it would fail as well.

I'll have to look into OpenSong.

My whole point has been that Apple has three very good, easy-to-use apps in its iWork suite that have become integral to the work of a great many — all of which are now rendered less easy-to-use for those who perform tasks in them using the same paradigm that ALL Mac apps have featured for the last 27 years.

I am terrified that this problem is still around in November, 2011.

I use Keynote for my work *a lot*. I just upgraded to Lion this week and had no idea about all this, but now I am screwed if I can't fix this by next week when I have to deliver my next presentation ...

And why the heck should I be fixing this? I need to be working!

Argh!