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  • Tom in London Level 4 Level 4 (1,570 points)
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    Nov 27, 2011 9:05 AM (in response to Stoaty)

    Stoaty wrote: Switching versioning off by default would kill one of Lion's biggest features.

    That's what I want. Until Autosave and Versioning are off by default, I can't work with Lion.

  • Tony T1 Level 6 Level 6 (8,115 points)
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    Nov 27, 2011 9:08 AM (in response to Tom in London)

    Tom in London wrote:

     

    Stoaty wrote: Switching versioning off by default would kill one of Lion's biggest features.

    That's what I want. Until Autosave and Versioning are off by default, I can't work with Lion.

     

    So, even if Apple makes a change to allow the user to turn it off, but leaves it on by default, you still won't use Lion.

  • Tom in London Level 4 Level 4 (1,570 points)
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    Nov 27, 2011 9:30 AM (in response to Tony T1)

    Tony T1 wrote:

     

    So, even if Apple makes a change to allow the user to turn it off, but leaves it on by default, you still won't use Lion.

     

    I have other, unrelated issues with Lion.

     

    But if in some future iteration of Lion I can turn off Autosave and Versions, probably as a global System Preference, and maybe from time to time turn it on if I find it useful, then that would be a reason for me to take Lion seriously. That would be a big step in the right direction, back to sanity. That's always been the way Apple does things: leaving control of the System to the user.

     

    The paradigm would be a car. When I buy a car it comes with all kinds of systems (aircon, radio, window winders etc.) I decide when I want to use these systems. I don't want the windows winding up and down when the car thinks they should open and close. I want to decide that.

  • Tony T1 Level 6 Level 6 (8,115 points)
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    Nov 27, 2011 9:35 AM (in response to Tom in London)

    You keep insisting that OS X makes changes without your consent.

    Not true.

  • Tony T1 Level 6 Level 6 (8,115 points)
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    Nov 27, 2011 10:21 AM (in response to Tom in London)

    Tom in London wrote:

     

    I have other, unrelated issues with Lion.

     

    Such as? (must be minor, as you only have mentioned Versions in the past 8 pages)

  • Tom in London Level 4 Level 4 (1,570 points)
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    Nov 27, 2011 10:32 AM (in response to Tony T1)

    Tony T1 wrote:

     

    Such as?

    Not relevant to this particular discussion

  • Tom in London Level 4 Level 4 (1,570 points)
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    Nov 27, 2011 10:33 AM (in response to Tony T1)

    Tony T1 wrote:

     

    You keep insisting that OS X makes changes without your consent.

    Not true.

    It does. In Lion, it saves things I didn't want it to save, changing files that are my property and that I don't want to be saved.

  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (121,630 points)
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    Nov 27, 2011 11:03 AM (in response to Tom in London)

    Still not grasped that whole "file is not your property, there's no such thing as a file and your data is what's important and that is unchanged" thing then? Difficult, I know.

     

    Regards

     

     

    TD

  • Tom in London Level 4 Level 4 (1,570 points)
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    Nov 27, 2011 11:27 AM (in response to Terence Devlin)

    This is turning into the typical TD "you're stupid" personal attack. He seems unable to maintain a normal tone.

     

    Before I sign out of this thread for a while, let me just say that my files are my property, not Apple's.

     

    It's interesting that TD's response is not to argue that Apple hasn't changed my files without my permission, but to try and assert that my files are not files at all and are not my property. Implicitly, this acknowledges that Apple is changing my files without my permission.

     

    But who cares? Let TD stew in his own juices for a while. I'm sure they're very flavoursome.

  • Stoaty Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 27, 2011 12:37 PM (in response to jdaw1)

    Auto Save and Versioning is one of the big headline features introduced by Lion.  The others were Multi-Touch Gestures, Full Screen Apps, Mission Control, Mac App Store, Launchpad, Resume, Air Drop and Mail.  As many of these were in previous in some form, it was one of the big new things.  To most users, Auto Save and Versioning is an excellent reason to purchase Lion. 

     

    I am sorry it does not work for you but for others it is great.

  • Tony T1 Level 6 Level 6 (8,115 points)
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    Nov 27, 2011 12:52 PM (in response to Tom in London)

    Tom in London wrote:

     

    Tony T1 wrote:

     

    You keep insisting that OS X makes changes without your consent.

    Not true.

    It does. In Lion, it saves things I didn't want it to save...

     

    Not possible.  If you didn't want Lion to Save, then the file would be Locked.

     

    Tom in London wrote:

    ...changing files that are my property and that I don't want to be saved.

     

    Also not possible.  The OS does not make changes to files, the user does.

    (Not counting System and Preference files, which the OS is constantly updating -- or do you have a problem with that also?)

  • Tony T1 Level 6 Level 6 (8,115 points)
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    Nov 27, 2011 1:00 PM (in response to jdaw1)

    jdaw1 wrote:

     

    Opened a picture. Rotate, to save neck ache. And up comes the usual tamper-or-new-window-or-Cancel box.

     

    You have a chance of getting an option to turn this off if you contact the uPhoto author directly. (some 3rd party vendors are more responsive to user requests than others).

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