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Q: Vertical line issue - How can we get Apple to address this?

Hi guys,

As can be seen in this forum (and a lot of other forums, as well), a lot of people are experiencing this problem on their 17" iMac G5 with iSight. Here are some pertinent details (which may be familiar to a lot of people but can be a primer for those who are just starting to experience the problem):

1. For most of us, these lines started appearing between 13-15 months after they purchased them. The lucky ones either had these failures occur during the first 12 months, or had APP.

2. The majority of these units can be traced to the Shanghai factory W8 (enter your S/N in this website to get the manufacturing information of your unit: http://www.chipmunk.nl/klantenservice/applemodel.html).

3. A similar issue occurred (or is occurring) with 17" PBs. From what I have read on the Apple PB forums, it seems that this has been a long standing issue and Apple has SUPPOSEDLY attempted to censor some of the posts discussing this. Note that these units can also be traced back to the same Shanghai factory.

4. The "iMac G5 Repair Extension Program for Video and Power Issues" which certain people have always been referring users to on posts discussing this type of problem obviously refers to a totally different issue (http://www.apple.com/support/imac/repairextensionprogram/) and is applicable only to first gen iMac G5s. I'm sure that everyone appreciates it but, at this point, it is quite clear that it is not the solution to our problem.

5. Based on the number of posts discussing this very same problem in the Apple forums, it is pretty obvious that these are not isolated issues. There are too many similarities (time of failure, how the numbers of line increase over time, manufacturing source, etc.)

6. Some people have suggested that unstable power sources may be the primary cause of the problem. However, based on the locations of the people with these problems who have posted in this forum, it seems unlikely. From what I can see, the problem happens whether you are from a highly industrialized country (where a stable power source can be expected) or a developing country (where power sources MAY be more unstable).

7. Apple has typically responded (to anyone who has taken the time to write or have their iMacs inspected) that this is not a known manufacturing defect issue. As such, the cost to repair this problem, which can go up to USD 500, will have to be borne by the owner.

8. Based on posts of some people who have had their units repaired, it is the LCD that has to be replaced. This is also supported by posts from people who have resorted to purchase a separate display as a workaround.

Now, the question is, *how do we get Apple to address this issue*? Do we all start writing Steve Jobs about it? Do we go to the press? Should we put up a website and Digg it to death? A spoof video on YouTube? MySpace? Or will we just suffer in silence? Suggestions anyone?

P.S. Suggestions that involve any sort of violence or industrial sabotage are not acceptable, please.

Note that Ale_Tog has put up a Flickr page where we can post photos of our poor iMacs. Just send the photo to ale_tog@hotmail.com with the subject "Dead pixels on iMac". No text, just the photo attachment. (+Ale_Tog, if you read this, I hope you don't mind me posting this here. Also, I suggest that we at least put the first 5 chars of the serial number, the factory information which can be retrieved on the link in #2 above, and which country the unit is based.+). I highly recommend that everyone send a photo to show that these are not isolated issues.

To get an idea on how many people are experiencing this problem, here are a list of posts in these forums, as well as others, discussing this issue (feel free to add to this):
http://i7.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/b2/75/2e8d_1.JPG
http://i16.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/b2/75/2ee5_1.JPG
http://i12.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/b2/75/2faf_1.JPG
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=974094
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5146382&tstart=0
http://www.macusersg.org/forums/index.php?topic=40998.0
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=607522&tstart=180
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=463075&tstart=270
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=197560&tstart=360 (this is about dead pixels, but one person reported a whole line)
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=292889&tstart=390
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=293895&tstart=390
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=279138&tstart=420
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=197630&tstart=465
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=197745&tstart=510
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=197741&tstart=510
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=197641&tstart=585
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4227335&#4227335
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=976574&#976574
http://discussions.apple.com/messageview.jspa?messageID=4369582&stqc=true
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=778470&tstart=0

Please start sending your suggestions. The more the many-ier!

17" iMac G5 1.9ghz with iSight, Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Posted on Sep 23, 2007 5:56 AM

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  • by jamiefrombuncrana,

    jamiefrombuncrana jamiefrombuncrana Nov 27, 2011 7:18 PM in response to gidnitacs
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    Nov 27, 2011 7:18 PM in response to gidnitacs

    I have now sort legal advice from a top barrister in Dublin who is a friends brother he has been sent all the emails and other documentation and he is going to contact apple tomorrow to demand an explanation as to why I can't have a replacement as they have admitted to me many times that iMacs that came out of said factory were all faulty and that bynoffering to repair it but not being able to in turn a replacement should have been offered.

    I will keep you posted my friends as apple have to do something about this

  • by mtpat,

    mtpat mtpat Nov 27, 2011 8:52 PM in response to gidnitacs
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    Nov 27, 2011 8:52 PM in response to gidnitacs

    The Apple genius also told me about the repair extension program, and how it was now over. I had never heard of it, even though they obviously have my email/phone. When reading thru earlier posts, someone had said that even after some people did get their Mac repaired thru the extension program that it still had the same problems. I mentioned that to the supervisor and after thinking about it, he agreed to repair it/give me a discount.

     

    I'm not sure why some people are getting repairs and others aren't. I thought I was going to be in the latter group initially, based on their tone and what they were telling me. But perserverence and politeness go a long way. At least, I think it played a part in getting the deal I got.

     

    I wish you the best of luck!

  • by Sarduci,

    Sarduci Sarduci Nov 28, 2011 8:01 AM in response to mtpat
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    Nov 28, 2011 8:01 AM in response to mtpat

    How much of a store credit did you get?

  • by mtpat,

    mtpat mtpat Nov 28, 2011 9:18 AM in response to gidnitacs
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    Nov 28, 2011 9:18 AM in response to gidnitacs

    I was offered $380 which the supervisor said was the cost of the repairs. I mentioned that these posts mention the repair costs as ranging from $500 - $750 or so. We negotiated a bit and they were really helpful. I had a total discount of $600 plus an additional $100 off on the Black Friday sale.

  • by Spooktacular,

    Spooktacular Spooktacular Dec 19, 2011 7:11 AM in response to gidnitacs
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    Dec 19, 2011 7:11 AM in response to gidnitacs

    Im just back from the Apple store in Glasgow with my 17" Imac (2007) I was quoted over £400 to repair the LCD (dreaded vertical line problem taking over) but advised not to proceed as in 1 months time my beloved Imac will be "vintage" and unrepairable.  I was advised to consider buying a second hand one on ebay.  I hadn't done my research and had no idea that this was a recognised problem. Nor did I think that a four year old computer is just fit for the bin - when it works perfectly in every other regard!   I think Ill just carry on til it really is unuseable!  

  • by 888doods,

    888doods 888doods Jan 8, 2012 5:14 PM in response to gidnitacs
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    Jan 8, 2012 5:14 PM in response to gidnitacs

    I am Edwin from the Philippines.  I am in the same situation as all you guys are in.  My Imac 17 Core2duo late 2006 has about 30 vertical lines on its LCD.  I called up apple Jan 5 2011 I explained my situation, my being an exclusively Mac user since the time of the ibook clamshells and colored imacs, that i was a bit disappointed that such a recent model Imac would have such a problem with the LCD.  I also mentioned the EM80 issue since my imac had the W80...serial series.  I was able to talk to a senior advisor....but sadly he mentioned that the unit was vintage and the repair extension was over.  I further quoted that some people from other countries had been given extensions and even store credit to compensate for the said issue.  Sadly he still declined to offer anything that could help my situation.  Its really dissapointing since Apple has acknowledged that the LCD defect was caused by faulty manufacturing from the LCD factory, that it has failed to to take full responsibility and has instead clasiffied these IMACS as VINTAGE!!!!! It is also sad to believe that APPLE seems to have different resolutions to the same problem depending on you Country??? Makes me think twice regarding my next choice of computers for my business.....

  • by brandonspeed69,

    brandonspeed69 brandonspeed69 Mar 7, 2012 5:14 AM in response to Spooktacular
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    Mar 7, 2012 5:14 AM in response to Spooktacular

    Hey Spooktacular -

    If you have your old receipts from when you first purchased your machine then an option for you would be to claim the cost of the repair directly from the reseller. I am doing this myself at the moment - there are a couple websites you can look at to do this:

    http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/berr.gov.uk/whatwedo/consumers/fact- sheets/page38311.html

    http://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/sale-of-goods/understanding-the-sale-of-g oods-act/

     

    Under UK law you can claim within 6 years from your purchase to have items repaired for reasons which you believe are due to manufaturing faults, faults which are inherent in the product and which have adversely affected your useage of said item and significantly reduced the life span of the item (I had my machine for 4 years 11 months but it has only been operable for less than 3 years).

     

    I am also doing this because I have had exactly the same problem - and the Apple store have refused to take responsibility - so I am taking the legal route and will be making the reseller pay for the service of the screen (again).

     

    Having the LCD monitor replaced is not actually fixing the problem because I had my screen replaced by Apple in May 2011 after reporting the problem and having it fixed under the service agreement - however in my case the lines came back within about 2 or 3 months - so again I took it back to Apple - only they didn't want to fix it now because their 'service agreement' had expired. Never mind the fact that I think their service was terrible to begin with - I mean how can they have fixed it if the problem came back after 3 months?

     

    Anyway, if you have all the paperwork from your original purchase and do a bit of research you should be able to get the money for the repair back at least under UK law.

    All the best.

     

    Note for future: Never buy an iMac.

  • by brandonspeed69,

    brandonspeed69 brandonspeed69 Apr 27, 2012 6:39 AM in response to brandonspeed69
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    Apr 27, 2012 6:39 AM in response to brandonspeed69

    Oh yes, and another route to claim the cost of repair if you paid for the computer on credit card is to claim the cost back from the CREDIT CARD that you used to pay for the item - in the UK credit card transactions (or any other credit agreement transaction) is covered under: Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

    This means that the credit card company that sold you this faulty iMac is jointly responsible for the item and MUST refund you the cost of the repair of the item if the problem is due to it being a manufacturing fault. All you need to do is send the bank a letter and include your original receipt and also a screengrab of the following page to prove that the problem exists: http://www.apple.com/support/imac/repairextensionprogram/

    A printed diagnosis by an Apple technician will also help a bit to prove the issue is with the screen.

     

    In many cases (including my own) this fault only manifested itself from 2009 onwards - so if you bought the machine from 2007/2008 then you more than likely would have missed the service agreement...so for Apple to come out and say that the sevice agreement ended in 2008 is simply seriously bad business ethic, and a low blow to the faithful Apple consumer.

     

    At the end of the day, Apple think they are side stepping this issue by ending the service agreement - the only thing they are doing is passing the buck to the retailers and the banks.

  • by Mox_Nix,

    Mox_Nix Mox_Nix May 26, 2012 9:05 AM in response to gidnitacs
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    May 26, 2012 9:05 AM in response to gidnitacs

    Just by way of an update to this issue.  The LCD thin vertical line issue has erupted on my mid 2011 Mac Air as well.  Have researched several posts and discussions and there are claims that it is an LCD problem in combination with the processors and that is why it recurs even after repair.

  • by ruez,

    ruez ruez Jun 1, 2012 10:17 AM in response to Mox_Nix
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    Jun 1, 2012 10:17 AM in response to Mox_Nix

    Well, I have 2 thin green lines together right now and a third one keeps popping in and out. I have G5 that is about 6 years old. Has ANYONE had this problem actually fixed? From the posts I have read I haven't seen any.

    Is this just a way for us to have to buy a new machine?

    I am sure that I don't have any warranty left, and for now it is just an irritation, but all the same I would rather not have to deal with it.

     

    And Mox_Nix you have a relatively new computer and you say you are already having these eruptions? What do they tell you?

     

    Any advice?

     

    Thanks

    ruez

  • by Bowmanski,

    Bowmanski Bowmanski Jul 10, 2012 8:42 AM in response to gidnitacs
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    Jul 10, 2012 8:42 AM in response to gidnitacs

    I have a 20" aluminum iMac from 2009 with the same issue. I checked http://www.chipmunk.nl/cgi-fast/applemodel.cgi and verified mine came from the W8 Shanghai China factory. I called Apple support and spoke with a senior repair technician and he did research and spoke with a few other techs and they said this is not a known issue and there is no extension of the warranty for this problem.

     

    What else can I do to get this problem resolved?

  • by @Joris,

    @Joris @Joris Jul 14, 2012 3:40 AM in response to gidnitacs
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    Jul 14, 2012 3:40 AM in response to gidnitacs

    I had the same issue on my Intel Imac A1173. First one line, after a month six. I didn't  even bother to call Apple since my Imac is almost six years old. I just went and look on the internet to find the cheapest way to get a new replacement screen(LM171W02 (TL)(B2)). There are a lot of brand new screens for sale on Alibaba straight from China. Prices are between $30 and $100. See link below:

     

    http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?SearchText=LM171W02+%28TL%29%28B2%29&IndexAr ea=Products&fsb=y

     

    On Ifixit there is a fine guide on how to replace the screen.

     

    I think this is the cheapest way if you have an older Imac with a broken screen. Prices on Ebay are all over $150 and they are not even new!

     

    I hope this will help anybody

  • by Ken Kline,

    Ken Kline Ken Kline Jul 31, 2012 4:39 AM in response to @Joris
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    Jul 31, 2012 4:39 AM in response to @Joris

    I recently bought a used iMac G5 1.9 17" iSight with 2 lines on it, got it very cheap that's why I bought it!! (from the factory in China, also many of the burners are defective), just 2 lines after usage by the original owner of 7 years, actually quite acceptable if you use a "vertical line" wallpaper, also the lines almost vanish when you open another program over it like your browser. A temporary or genuine solution is to get a Mini VGA to VGA adapter, then buy a used 17-21 inch, 1400x900 lcd monitor ($20-$40) , although not an Apple monitor quite an acceptable alternative, only problem is you can't turn off the built-in monitor, so use both, individually,  for various situations. I was using an iMac G4/800 (the Lamp) but bought this somewhat defective G5 for the extra processing power, more/faster ram, much faster video, works great in that context.

  • by filmboomer,

    filmboomer filmboomer Aug 9, 2012 12:37 PM in response to gidnitacs
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    Aug 9, 2012 12:37 PM in response to gidnitacs

    My vertical yellow/green line appeared about 2 months ago out of nowhere. There has been ZERO trauma to the computer and very little movement at all. Its only "problem", is, like me, getting old.

     

    I hope I can sell this iMac "AS IS" in the next 2-3 months to buy a newer iMac or iPad.

     

    A POX on you, Apple! First, you outsource the manufacture to Singapore and other, worse places, and THEN you refuse the "Green" agreement of all manufacturers of computers so that your majority stockholdlers can line their pockets with more of our hard-earned MONEY!!!

     

    I have lost my love for this corporation. Maybe it's Steve Jobs passing away, but Apple has lost its way...for sure.

  • by Netsurfz,

    Netsurfz Netsurfz Aug 9, 2012 8:31 PM in response to gidnitacs
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    Aug 9, 2012 8:31 PM in response to gidnitacs

    Ok, I may found a solution or pretty a temporary fix. Here is what it was like.

     

    http://image.ohozaa.com/i/b7d/rNKkja.jpg

     

    Looking at the screen, it is obviously known issue for the bad GPU chips. Since many and most people claimed that external display works out fine and it is the LCD panel that is faulty.

     

    Anyway, I gave it a try using "heat" to re-work the GPU chip. And it just works. Not sure it is the heat or re-attaching the cables that make the issue goes away. After I get the screen to work, the iMac showed some overheating problem. So I modified the fan speed and cleaned the dust. Now it is functional and working well. It is not a permanent fix, but it surely will last for sometime since the G5 is pretty old now.

     

    For some of you experiencing or having the same symptom with the screen like I've attached, try to heat up the GPU with trusted and experienced technician (with correct tools and equipment as well).

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