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martindesoto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hi.

 

My 2 and a half years old Mac Pro 8 cores was running quite slowly and re-booted randomly, so I decided to reset the PMU or whatever it´s called by pressing that little grey button on the mainboard.

 

For a week or two, everything was fine, but today suddenly I just couldn´t start it with my user account: after entering my password, a blue screen appeared and I heard the disks working, but then returned to the username/password screen. I tried to use the guest user account and other account with administrator privileges, and they worked for a few minutes, although the machine was slow and finally it froze. I could move the cursor around the screen, but nothing else.

 

I managed to check the start-up disk with the disk utility , and it said it was OK. I tried to start-up in safe mode and it didn´t help. What else can I do? Run the hardware test with the OS disc?

 

Fresh OS reinstall?----> And if I do a fresh reintall of the OS, am I going to keep everything I have in a RAID 0 set of disks?

 

 

Thanks a lot for your answers.


Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.8)
  • 1. Re: Problems at start-up, runs slowly, then freezes.
    martindesoto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Forgot to say that I´m running OS X 10.5.

  • 2. Re: Problems at start-up, runs slowly, then freezes.
    martindesoto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Anybody?

     

    C´mon, boys, I need that machine working ASAP to finish a work and if I take it to the Service they won´t be able to fix it in time.

  • 3. Re: Problems at start-up, runs slowly, then freezes.
    ds store Level 7 Level 7 (30,305 points)

    Sounds like your boot drive is failing, if your RAID 0 is the boot, then you know the risks involved with running RAID 0 for anything.

     

    If the RAID 0 is data, then simply get a new boot hard drive and install 10.5 on it or restore from a clone,  leave the data RAID 0 alone, it will report to the new boot drive it's a set. Backup, backup, backup.

     

    BTW, if it's a Intel Mac, you really shoudl be on 10.6.8, it's faster, more secure and a heck of a lot cooler than 10.5 (10.7 not so cool)

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/16858537#16858537

  • 4. Re: Problems at start-up, runs slowly, then freezes.
    martindesoto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi, thanks for the answer.

     

    The system drive is NOT RAID 0, so that should not be a problem. But the Disk Utility and the Hardware Test can´t find any problem with the system drive, so, may I assume that the disk is affirmatively, possitively OK, or maybe Disk Utility and Hardware Test are useless and haven´t got a clue?

     

    BTW, I´ve heard that 10.6 had a few problems with FCP. Don´t know if they have fixed them.

  • 5. Re: Problems at start-up, runs slowly, then freezes.
    The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,880 points)

    Disk Utility and 10.5, no.

     

    Workng with it as is, no.

     

    Not having a working clone to restore from...

     

    :An SMC Reset, no, and 2008 not sure it had a botton, but wouldn't help.

     

    The failure to boot Safe Mode says you, not Apple, need to just build or rebuild and maybe zero out, a new drive - leave as is what you have.

     

    Even though the data array can stay, it too should have multiple backups and cloned.

     

     

    Not finding a problem, no, just means those tests have limitations.

     

    And there mat be things beyond a clean OS that factor in why it was sluggish, slow and not running normal.

  • 6. Re: Problems at start-up, runs slowly, then freezes.
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,280 points)

    may I assume that the disk is affirmatively, possitively OK

    Disk Utility "Repair Disk" checks the integrity and consistency of the Directory, the "index" of what file is in what blocks on the drive. The entire rest of the drive could be non-functioning garbage and if the directory is OK, it would say, "no problems found".

     

    As a drive ages, sometimes sectors develop problems, and incur re-trys when being read. If this gets bad enough, it will slow your Mac down. Sometimes this is reflected in the SMART status for the drive mechanism shown in Disk Utility (in the lower right when the Make & Model is selected), but often it is not.

     

    A drive with a lot of data errors that cause re-trys can sometimes be "perked up" by re-writing all the blocks with zeroes. The drive mechanism will substitute spare blocks when this is done. But many suggest that a drive with read errors should be put into "light duty" service, such as backups, and eventually retired.

  • 7. Re: Problems at start-up, runs slowly, then freezes.
    martindesoto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for the info.

     

    I hoped for a quick solution for this, but it seems that there is not. Any recommendations for the new disk?

     

    Would you recommend Disk Warrior for fixing the old disk?

  • 8. Re: Problems at start-up, runs slowly, then freezes.
    martindesoto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Answering my own question: Disk Warrior fixes directory errors and that stuff, I was misinformed.

  • 9. Re: Problems at start-up, runs slowly, then freezes.
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,280 points)

    Tech Tool Pro has a "Surface Scan" function that exhaustively reads every block looking for read errors. Drive Genius has a similar feature. I expect there are othrs as well.

     

    Disk Warrior finds more read errors and "Drive not responding" errors than Disk Utility, but does not do an exhaustive check.

  • 10. Re: Problems at start-up, runs slowly, then freezes.
    The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,880 points)

    TTPro though even though it does find weak or soft and bad sectors doesn't DO anything with them, whereas SMART Utility, a vendor's own, will. And Zero-all I call a blessing and prayer that it will. Micromat's own comment was that 7-way write was more reliable. My experience: even 7-way was not as helpful iwth a new WD drive but WD Lifeguard worked and drive has now had 4 yrs good use.

  • 11. Re: Problems at start-up, runs slowly, then freezes.
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,280 points)

    Hatter, you are quite right that those Utilities i mentioned do not FIX those errors. Their only use (in my opinion) is to diagnose WHETHER Bad Blocks were an issue on a particular drive. I have used them occasionally to determine whether slowdowns were caused by Bad Blocks, or whether I needed to be looking for other reasons.

  • 12. Re: Problems at start-up, runs slowly, then freezes.
    The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,880 points)

    that is why I like what SoftRAID has done by putting in a background media check - it always was more accurate to alert the user that there were I/O errors or 'weak' sectors - how many retries before a sector is mapped out? it isn't black and white.

     

    The Google study that showed that using spares and diminished number of spares left was leading sign of drive failure could be impending.

  • 13. Re: Problems at start-up, runs slowly, then freezes.
    martindesoto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Useful answers. Thanks a lot.

     

    Do you recommend any kind of disk or it´s better to stick to something identical (speed, Gbps, RPM) to the original one? I don´t know if my machine (almost 3 years old, no fibre channel or any kind of weird things) admits something more recent.

  • 14. Re: Problems at start-up, runs slowly, then freezes.
    The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,880 points)

    any as long as it isn't SAS or something, overdue probaly too.

    price hikes make it less attractive and won't improve soon.

     

    SATA II/III 3.5"

     

    Green, maybe, or not - they are less expensive good but not for primary data or system probably, due to delay spinups.

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