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  • 1,800. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Franc_Iphone Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    So, after many weeks of additional diagnostics with Apple, they told me a few things;

     

    1. There are definately 3rd party applications (old and new) that run more inefficiently under LION because the LION code does not deal with the older calls efficiently. Whilst not admitting this is a bug, to me it is obviously so. We can either all wait until the 100's of apps are changed to call the new code under LION, or hope Apple find a work-around. I suspect Apple might not have informed it's 3rd party developers since we have not read anything on this!

    2. There are definately applications that run on our machines, that consume huge battery resources that are not easily found, even by an experienced tech (3 months and 6 dianostic files for Apple engineering to find 2 programs for me). Apple pointed me to 2 applications that were running.

     

    • The first was from one that was installed onto my old machine at least over a year ago. When I visited the UK, I had a VODAFONE 3G USB dongle. This installed software and drivers (obviosuly). I haven't used this Dongle on the new machine. Anyway, apparently it was there and running!
    • The 2nd problem was apparently, a western digital driver was throwing errors constantly (probably from an old USB hard drive driver or something). The erro was NML2Ndeviceobserver and after a search I found and followed these instructions to remove it...http://forums.macnn.com/90/mac-os-x/423497/this-is-a-hard-one-nml2ndeviceobserve r/

     

    I set system files to show in finder (http://theitbros.com/show-hidden-files-in-mac-os-x-finder) to ,ake sure I got all files. I then went through my hardrive\library\application support folder to remove stuff I don't use any more. Also went through hardrive\applications and removed old programs (the vodafone one would not let me delete from applications folder itself - perhaps because it was running). I then went through hardrive\library\frameworks and deleted a couple of files that were obviously from old/unused software.

     

    I'd say be careful, only do this if you know what you are doing or talk to Apple support or genius bar to walk you through deleting old drivers etc.,

     

    After doing the above, last night and npw day today I am in the 8-9 hour range.... About bloody time!

  • 1,801. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Franc_Iphone Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    One thing Apple agree with me on is that any programs/drivers that are running (hiden or otherwise) on your machine, consuming enough resources to impact battery life by more than a few percentage points an hour, should show up in the activity monitor. What good is activity monitor if there is no way to show what's "eating" the machine by such a significant amount.

     

    Hopefully, one day, that will be a fix too.

  • 1,802. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Redarm Level 4 Level 4 (2,580 points)

    Good for you Franc_Iphone.  You found yours.

     

    But still no help for any of us with clean Lion installations and only default Apple apps.

     

    PS.  Surely it must be a bug, if your 3rd party processes even run in sleep modus?

  • 1,803. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Franc_Iphone Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Redarm, I agree, frustrating for you. It could be though, now I've seen it for my own eyes, is it at least possbile, something that "has" been installed without you knowing and is running in background? Have you ever plugged a USB device in? Perhaps some download (plug-in) installed some other piece of crap that's buggy!

     

    Perhaps try at least rebooting with no startup or drivers, just to see if the "battery" life gets boosted..

     

    Then, another thing Apple suggested that I haven't done yet is to go through hardrive\library\ launchagent and \launchdemon and \startup   - see if there's anything strange in there. This is the 3 places apparently divers/apps launch before anythings else! I just saw, the vodafone and western digital files were in there as well!!! - I've jsut deleted them - perhaps I'll get 10 hours now

     

    Now I have "fixed" my machine and gone through MONTHS of benchmark/testing, I think I can compile a list of programs again that kill the battery life. I know the many 3rd party ones now but I will go through the Apple apps again.

  • 1,804. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    ckelleyb Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Okay in the last week I upgraded to an SSD and clean install.  It brought the battery performance back to a toliterable usage level.  No longer does the Macbook Pro (3,1) run out of battery at night sleeping with lid closed and I can actually take it with on the road for the day and get a couple of hours REAL use out of it.  This machine never had great batt life - 4 hours or so. After a clean install and new SSD I am close to being back to where I thought I was with SL or Tiger.  Residuals of many OSs and Upgrades I think could have been the problem. 

     

    It should be noted the my wifes MB 7,1 gets an insane 10+ hours of hard use.  Just sitting idle reads 14.5 hours of batt remaining!  I cannot fathom why this is even possible. She upgraded from SL (not clean) which was the machine's original OS - unlike my macbook pro.  iPad like battery life but running Lion.  So it CAN be done people.  How is the question...

  • 1,805. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)
    Just because it's third party software, as usual, no need to be sarcastic, Bobby.

     

    CT Baby, I don't know what you're talking about and frankly, I don't really want to.  Let's stop needless chatter and solve problems.  Thank you.

  • 1,806. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    Daisy Disk is an innovative and very useful drive-visualization application for locating, identifying, and managing files, even many you may not know you have onboard or that are invisible.  Highly intuitive and interactive.  It takes about 10 minutes to get in the flow.  Nothing in its genre of apps comes close to Daisy Disk's ease of use.  http://daisydiskapp.com/ . It's now on sale for $9.95 (half its former price) on its website or in the Apple Store.  Five-star rated.


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    If you're more chart-oriented, Space Gremlin is sold on its website and in the Apple Store for $3.99. http://www.spacegremlinapp.com/. It features a different sort of interactivity, more like shuffling papers in file drawers. Five-star rated.

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    Sadly, these apps' open-source equivalents are visually confusing, making file handling more difficult than it should be.  But $4 or $10 are good value.

     

     

    Your OS-supplied Activity Monitor application shows you what's happening in real-time.  Use it regularly.  (It draws some cycles, but I leave mine on for quick referral.)  Here's a good tutorial:  http://mac.appstorm.net/how-to/os-x/making-the-most-of-activity-monitor/.

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  • 1,807. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    mulligans missus Level 2 Level 2 (370 points)

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    Daisy Disk is an innovative and very useful drive-visualization application for locating, identifying, and managing files, even many you may not know you have onboard or that are invisible.  Highly intuitive and interactive.  It takes about 10 minutes to get in the flow.  Nothing in its genre of apps comes close to Daisy Disk's ease of use.  http://daisydiskapp.com/ . It's now on sale for $9.95 (half its former price) on its website or in the Apple Store.  Five-star rated.

    What are you an App salesman as well now? Cut and paste obviosly still work for you. There are also dozens of other Apps, free and paid for that do exactly the same job. I prefer not to rely on those ones. Their accuracy is questionable.

     

    If you feel you must have one then get OmniDiskSweeper for free

     

    http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omnidisksweeper/download/

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    If you're more chart-oriented, Space Gremlin is sold on its website and in the Apple Store for $3.99. http://www.spacegremlinapp.com/. It features a different sort of interactivity, more like shuffling papers in file drawers. Five-star rated.

    That seems to have solved everyone's battery problems now. Thanks for that.

     

    Cheerio

  • 1,808. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    rmatullo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Have to say I am re-considering staying with Lion. Went back from my decked 15" to a white 13" macbook pro and the OS windows were snappier and smoother on the SL machine. Nothing I noticed initially, but it was a huge difference after only using this Lion machine for a month.

  • 1,810. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    That seems to have solved everyone's battery problems now. Thanks for that.


    Cheerio

    Now I get it, mulligans missus.  You're The Authority.  Everyone has to have you vet their opinions and if you don't like 'em, woe be them. 


    OmniSweeper is substandard.  It has one of the least effective interfaces among all the disk managers, a topic that came up as a result of Frank_iphone's solution bssed on finding and terminating old applications still running.  However, that's just my opinion. Why not let the people decide?  Or must they first kiss your ring? 


    You get a real kick out of putting people down, several of us personally and all the many folks on this forum with problems whom you dismiss as "a very few" among millions.. I don't know what your problem is, or why you hang around since you offer no advice or solutions of your own, but I will no longer interact with you.  Perhaps others who have suffered your sillyness will do the same.  


    Of course, you will go for the last word, the last jibe, to show how clever you are. Typical bully fare. Frankly, I don't give a ****. 


    Now let's get back to the business of the board.  Cheerio.

  • 1,811. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,440 points)

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    That seems to have solved everyone's battery problems now. Thanks for that.

     

    Cheerio

    Now I get it, mulligans missus.  You're The Authority.  Everyone has to have you vet their opinions and if you don't like 'em, woe be them. 

     

    OmniSweeper is substandard.  It has one of the least effective interfaces among all the disk managers, a topic that came up as a result of Frank_iphone's solution bssed on finding and terminating old applications still running.  However, that's just my opinion. Why not let the people decide?  Or must they first kiss your ring? 

     

    You get a real kick out of putting people down, several of us personally and all the many folks on this forum with problems whom you dismiss as "a very few" among millions.. I don't know what your problem is, but I will no longer interact with you.  Perhaps others who have suffered your sillyness will do the same.  

     

    Of course, you will go for the last word, the last jibe, to show how clever you are. Typical bully fare. Frankly, I don't give a ****. 

     

    Now let's get back to the business of the board.  Cheerio.

    Bob, you have no information on how many people are or are not having problems, we know that already, but thanks for your time.

  • 1,812. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)
    Bob, you have no information on how many people are or are not having problems, we know that already, but thanks for your time.

     

    What took you so long to show up, Fido?

     

    Never said I did know how many people are having problems.  Only mulligans missus claims to know.  As her alter ego, I thought you already knew that.  Bye to you too.  You're welcome.

     

    My apologies to the rest of the readers for this crapola.  I'm sticking to the topics.

  • 1,813. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    mulligans missus Level 2 Level 2 (370 points)

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    That seems to have solved everyone's battery problems now. Thanks for that.

     

    Cheerio

    Now I get it, mulligans missus.  You're The Authority.  Everyone has to have you vet their opinions and if you don't like 'em, woe be them.

    Then stop advertising Paid Apps on the forums against the TOU.

     

    Your solutions are more than often totally destructive.

    Someone has to keep your recklessness in line. FYI OmniDiscSweper is highly reccommended by top level posters on this forum.

     

    Cheer up and try to enjoy your computing.

  • 1,814. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,440 points)

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    Bob, you have no information on how many people are or are not having problems, we know that already, but thanks for your time.

     

    Never said I did.  Only mulligans missus claims to know.  As her alter ego, I thought you already knew that.  Bye to you too.  You're welcome.

    Nothing is worse than a failure to insult, bye bye Bob, and thanks for your time