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Gerry_Ottawa Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hello,

Sad to say but I am at this point where I think that I probably made a mistake to go for Mac.

(Especially after that Final Cut X episode).

 

Well , here is my question:

I have a 2009 MacPro Nehalem process (let me know if you need the serial number) and I would like (actually it is more a need) to upgrade.

I work with HD stuff and 2 GT 120 are just not powerfull enough to do what I want.

My question is: is it really the only thing you offer?

http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MC742ZM/A?fnode=MTY1NDA5OQ&mco=MTg2OTU0NzM

 

Is there another alternative? Is there another model compatible with Mac pro 2009 ?

 

Please save my life

 

Thanks a lot.

 

( I was also curious to know why you charge $269 when Futur Shop charges $199 for the same thing)


Mac Pro 2009 Nehalem
  • 1. Re: graphic card update .. Why is it so complicated
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,250 points)

    Is there another alternative?

    No you can pay about US$450 for the Apple/ATI 5870. Or over US$1000 for NVIDIA 400 series.

     

     

    why [you] charge $269 when Futur Shop charges $199 for the same thing)

    Because it's NOT the same thing, the one at Futur Shop ONLY works in  a PC, unless it specifically call out Mac Pro support on the box.

     

    You are not talking to Apple. Inc. when you post here, Readers are all other users like you.

  • 2. Re: graphic card update .. Why is it so complicated
    Gerry_Ottawa Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

     

    Thanks

  • 3. Re: graphic card update .. Why is it so complicated
    The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,880 points)

    Stay with the Apple Store, or at least research more

     

    ATI 5x70 $249-449

     

    Amazon has Quadro 4000 for Mac Pro $799, the same PNY $1199 on Apple Store, not sure why

     

    There are always people that want GTX 580 or something - you run up against it needing more power than you have and of course PC ROM and things.

  • 4. Re: graphic card update .. Why is it so complicated
    Chris J Witt Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

    ATY_Init is also another perfectly decent option (on Lion and above, SL supposedly has a bug in which the GT 120 will be selected for rendering regardless of what is inside.) No risks.

    I think that a Netkas.org member or two successfully did GTX 580 without power issues and no flash necessary. I haven't had time to try it myself, but it sounds exciting.

     

    If he wishes to use roughly any PC nvidia card of his choosing then that is likely the path for him.

  • 5. Re: graphic card update .. Why is it so complicated
    The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,880 points)

    Those are for Netkas, and ah, GTX 580 needs more than two 6-pin cables, or you aren't stressing the card's requirements.

     

    I still think Lion .3 or above but then I hoped to see GTX 4xx already, or ATI 7xxx by then or now too. Or just open the graphic candy store to more.

     

    Usually I send people there or to MacRumors in those cases though.

  • 6. Re: graphic card update .. Why is it so complicated
    DPArt Level 3 Level 3 (505 points)

    Speaking for "The Netkas Group" I can say that GTX580 can be made to work but Hatter is right in that power issue is not easily gotten around.

     

    Best to add an external Power Supply to use GTX480 or GTX580.

     

    There is no EFI for 5xx Nvidia cards so they are ATY_Init only. GTX570 can be easily powered with existing outputs but needs ATY_Init to work. (can be used without helper in 10.7.2 Beta)

     

    There are EFI ROMs for GTX470 and GTX480.

     

    They work perfectly but the need for external juice on 480 is a real downer.

     

    Basically, unless you use software that can get use from CUDA, the ATI cards are better deal. The 6870 can run 4 separate displays at once, the vaunted 480/580 cards just 2. The official Apple 5770 is a sweet spot in terms of value and ease of use.

     

    The Nvidia Fermi cards are for Power users with specific needs.

     

    For editing Gramma's 85th b-day video and watching all the latest You-Tube / Facebook / Twitter dreck, the 5770 is more than sufficient.

     

    EDIT: I am adding the following info that I posted in another thread.

     

    It sums up what cards are OFFICIALLY supported in which Macs. Do what you will with it.

     

    I will make it simple, here is a list of ALL Mac Pro video cards as released by Apple or their partners. These were cards that were either available on the machines, or through retail. Note that there are flashed versions of these cards which can cross borders, but these are the OFFICIAL released cards.

     

    Work in ALL Mac Pros:

     

    ATI X1300

    ATI X1900XT

    ATI 2600 XT

    ATI 3870

    ATI 4870

    ATI 5770

    ATI 5870

     

    Work in 1,1 and 2,1 Mac Pro ONLY (EFI32)

     

    Nvidia 7300GT

    NVidia 8800GT  (EFI32 version)

    Quadro 4500

     

    Work in 3,1 or later Mac Pro (64 bit EFI)

     

    Nvidia 8800GT (EFI64 version)

    Nvidia GT120 (aka 9500GT)

    Nvidia GTX285

    Nvidia Quadro 5600

    Nvidia Quadro 4000

     

    You will note that ALL of the ATI cards work on ALL of the Mac Pros (due to EBC EFI)

     

    You will note that Nvidia cards are either/or. The ONLY Nvidia card that is available on BOTH types used a completely different EFI on each version. Thus, an 8800GT that works GREAT in my 1,1 Quad 3.0 will boot to a black screen in my 4,1 Octo 2.26.

     

    Such a simple rule...

     

    ALL ATI CARDS WORK IN ALL MAC PROS

     

    ALL NVIDIA CARDS WORK IN ONE OR THE OTHER.

     

    To add to the confusion, there is no single way that these Macs are referenced. Apple calls the 3,1 Macs the "Early 2008" Mac Pros. So someone who remembers that they bought theirs in February of 2008 thinks theirs is 3,1 and therefore EFI64. What they don't remember is that they got a KILLER deal because OWC was clearing their stock of 2007s and they got a 2,1. They order an 8800GT for a "Early 2008" and get a BLACK SCREEN.

     

    When buying an Nvidia card, whether from an online retailer or EBay auction or garage sale, it is vitally important to know which Mac Pro you have and which Mac Pro the card is designed to work in.

     

    Message was edited by: DPArt

  • 7. Re: graphic card update .. Why is it so complicated
    carlhataway Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I have a brand new Apple ATI Radeon HD5770 in the Apple Box with cable that I will sell for $150.00 if that would help you. Carl

  • 8. Re: graphic card update .. Why is it so complicated
    Gerry_Ottawa Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Appreciate that but it doesn't seem to be compatible with my Mac

    Requires Mac Pro (Mid 2010)

    Mine is early 2009

     

  • 9. Re: graphic card update .. Why is it so complicated
    DPArt Level 3 Level 3 (505 points)

    Gerry,

     

    if you get a moment, read the LARGE post 2 spots above yours

     

    or the comments section on Apple store about 5770

     

    or any of hatter's 100's of posts on 5770/5870

  • 10. Re: graphic card update .. Why is it so complicated
    Gerry_Ottawa Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Yeah I know I saw that.

    It is like really confusing.. why would apple store display that it is not compatible, you know .

    @ carlhataway I contact you soon to let you know what I decided.

  • 11. Re: graphic card update .. Why is it so complicated
    The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,880 points)

    take anything about hardware requirements and compatibility that Apple posts with a grain of salt.

     

    They don't get updated. They don't get changed.

    They don't even seem to be written by someone that knows what they are writing, but what they are given to write.

     

    BUT you must have totally missed and disregarded ALL of the COMMENTS on the product page.

     

    You won't even find a tech note that 2TB drives are supported in your Mac, those notes are limited to new models.

     

    Or find a footnote that says 3TB drives are not supported on Apple Pro RAID controller.

     

    I'm not sure what the status is of having two Quadro 4000s is. Works only in Lion? there is a bug that affects having 4GB VRAM total? something else? Or some early 4000s have bug in firmware or chipset? those are the things that should be on product page and in the knowledge base.

  • 12. Re: graphic card update .. Why is it so complicated
    Gerry_Ottawa Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

     

    They don't get updated. They don't get changed.

    They don't even seem to be written by someone that knows what they are writing, but what they are given to write.

    Dam True !! :-)

  • 13. Re: graphic card update .. Why is it so complicated
    MrFruitGuy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    where have you seen the 480 efi?? ive been searching for it like forever without finding one source for it. If you got any info please let me know, i wil aprecciate it.

  • 14. Re: graphic card update .. Why is it so complicated
    Devin Crutcher Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)

    I'm not sure we're supposed to know this, but as long as you have the proper power adapter (you'll have to buy it online), and Lion, the Mac Pros will work with any off-the-shelf ATI Radeon HD 6000 series card.  The 6870 seems to be a favorite. But keep in mind, 5870 ≠ 6870.

     

    Power Adapter:

    http://www.amazon.com/PCIe-Power-Cable-nVidia-Video/dp/B002UR1654

     

    Horribly long demonstration video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC-Rzl_bRhU

     

    Hope this helps!  Please mark if it did!

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