Chris1900

Q: Ipod 160Gb Problem

Hi

 

I have run into a problem with my ipod and was hoping someone could help me figure it out..

 

When I try to add songs to my ipod I get to around 1,700 songs transfered then it bugs out.. it either freezes / crashes / or transfers at an incredibly poor

speed.

 

When I then replug the ipod to my mac it gives an error saying that the disk is corrupted and needs restoring... Also on occasion it says that the library is locked. If I then replug the ipod it usually gets rid of the library error, only for the disk corruption message to appear.

 

I also did a diagnostics test (by pressing the boot combo) and all tests were passed without error. I have tried reformating the drive using disk util, and I have also restored the ipod countless times.

 

 

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

iPod classic, Mac OS X (10.7.2)

Posted on Dec 17, 2011 1:47 PM

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  • by turingtest2,Solvedanswer

    turingtest2 turingtest2 Dec 17, 2011 3:41 PM in response to Chris1900
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    Dec 17, 2011 3:41 PM in response to Chris1900

    Check your iPod with Diagnostics Mode

    It's possible that your iPod's hard drive has started to fail. Take your iPod and place your right thumb on the centre SELECT button and your left on the top MENU button. Press down both thumbs for about 6 seconds until your iPod reboots. Immediately move your left thumb around to the rewind button |<< on the left and hold this down together withSELECT for a further 6 seconds. Your iPod should now switch into Diagnostic Boot mode. Press MENU for Manual Test, then select IO > HardDrive > HDSMARTData to reveal your stats. For comparison here are mine taken when my 6th Generation Classic was about 2 years old:

    Retracts: 889
    Reallocs: 12
    Pending Sectors: 0
    PowerOn Hours: 2202
    Start/Stops: 894
    Temp: Current 24c
    Temp: Min 10c
    Temp: Max 50c

    Take a note of your results. When finished press SELECT & MENU for 6 seconds to reset the iPod again.

     

    With modern disc drives sectors are no longer marked bad by a disc scan, if the SMART firmware detects a sector it has trouble accessing it will attempt to invisibly reallocate it to a spare area of the disc.

     

    Note that I've only 12 remapped sectors and none pending. To help explain what the numbers mean here is an extract from the Wikipedia S.M.A.R.T. article:

    Reallocated Sectors Count
    Count of reallocated sectors. When the hard drive finds a read/write/verification error, it marks this sector as "reallocated" and transfers data to a special reserved area (spare area). This process is also known as remapping, and "reallocated" sectors are called remaps. This is why, on modern hard disks, "bad blocks" cannot be found while testing the surface – all bad blocks are hidden in reallocated sectors. However, as the number of reallocated sectors increases, the read/write speed tends to decrease. The raw value normally represents a count of the number of bad sectors that have been found and remapped. Thus, the higher the attribute value, the more sectors the drive has had to reallocate.

     

    Pending sector count
    Number of "unstable" sectors (waiting to be remapped, because of read errors). If an unstable sector is subsequently written or read successfully, this value is decreased and the sector is not remapped. Read errors on a sector will not remap the sector (since it might be readable later); instead, the drive firmware remembers that the sector needs to be remapped, and remaps it the next time it's written.

    Large numbers of Reallocs or Pending Sectors would suggest your drive is failing and that you may need to repair or replace your iPod. Check your stats after another attempt to update your iPod. If the numbers increase that again points to hard drive failure. While it won't be good news at least you'll know it isn't some random software problem and you can decide what to do next.

     


     

    Assuming the diagnostics give the drive a clean bill of health it may still be worth checking the drive for logical file system errors.

     

    Check iPod hard-drive for errors

    Hold Select+Menu on the iPod for about 6 seconds until it resets, then hold Select+Play as soon as the Apple logo appears, again for about 6 seconds to put the machine in disk mode. Open iTunes and in the Sync tab of the preferences menu check Disable automatic syncing of all iPhones & iPods. Now connect your iPod to the computer, wait until it connects, then close iTunes.

     

    Windows: Browse My Computer and right-click on the drive for the iPod, click Properties, then click Tools. Under Error-checking, click Check Now. Under Check disk options, select Scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors (Optional - takes ages but a good idea if you've reason to suspect physical damage). Click Start.

     

    Mac: Run Disk Utility / Repair Disk for the equivalent process.

     

    This should find and correct any errors in the logical & physical structures of your iPod's hard drive. Once these have been fixed you can reset the iPod (hold Menu+Select) and should stand a better chance of a successful restore. It might also pay to check the status of the source drive containing your media, particularly if no errors were found on the iPod.

     

    And if that still doesn't help try Erase your iPod - The Super Fix for most iPod Problems. Basically a low level format of the iPod’s hard drive to get around whatever problems are stopping iTunes from restoring it properly.

     


     

    Once you've restored your iPod don't rush to dump all the data back exactly as it was before. I have found that lots of large or complex smart playlists can sometimes trigger constant reboots or dumping of the iPod's library. In addition, larger transfers can fail leaving data in an inconsistent state. Try this technique for populating the iPod in stages.

     

    Break up large transfers

    In iTunes select the menu item File... New Smart Playlist. Change the first drop-down box to Playlist, the next to is and the next to Music or whatever playlist holds the bulk of the content you want on your device. Tick against Limit to, type in say 10, then change the drop-down to GB, and set the last drop-down to artist. When you click OK you can enter a name for the playlist, e.g. Transfer.

     

    transfer.png

     

    Now sync this playlist to your iPod rather than your entire library. When the sync is complete modify the rule (File... Edit playlist) to increase the size by your chosen amount, then sync and repeat. You can experiment with different size increments, if it doesn't work just choose something a bit smaller until it works each time. Before long you should have all your music on your iPod. Once that's done you can move on to other media such as podcasts, videos, photos, playlists

     

    tt2

  • by turingtest2,

    turingtest2 turingtest2 Dec 22, 2011 2:09 AM in response to turingtest2
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    Dec 22, 2011 2:09 AM in response to turingtest2

    I've been reminded that another issue that can affect syncing is the presence of anti-virus software. If possible explore the advanced options of any anti-virus/anti-malware products to exclude the drive letter of the device and the media source folder from real time/on access scans.

     

    tt2

  • by applemanic,

    applemanic applemanic Jan 15, 2012 12:02 AM in response to turingtest2
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    Jan 15, 2012 12:02 AM in response to turingtest2

    Retracts: 15

    Reallocs: 8

    Pending Sectors: 1

    PowerOn Hours: 393

    Start/Stops: 1758

    Temp: Current 32c

    Temp: Min 17c

    Temp: Max 44c

     

    this the data when i run the diagnostic test....and after the diagnostic and tried to restore it to the iitunes still error 1430 occurred.....

  • by LachlanMann,

    LachlanMann LachlanMann Jan 15, 2012 4:02 AM in response to applemanic
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    Jan 15, 2012 4:02 AM in response to applemanic

    HI Mate,

     

    Try a restore on your MAC, and synching it completely with the MAC (if thats an option) I am having a similar problem, and could only get it on the mac. Also, are you running outlook at all?? I think outlook has a negative relationship in someway with Itunes. I had a look at the AppleComputer/ Logs file, and it has a section dedicated to Outlook. So i imagine some trickery is going on.

     

    I can't confirm, but it's worth trying anyway

  • by turingtest2,

    turingtest2 turingtest2 Jan 15, 2012 4:54 AM in response to applemanic
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    Jan 15, 2012 4:54 AM in response to applemanic

    Chances are the pending sector is the one that trips up the restore process. Try the Erase your iPod - The Super Fix for most iPod Problems method.

     

    For more info. see Apple's support doc covering 1430 errors.

     

    tt2

  • by applemanic,

    applemanic applemanic Jan 15, 2012 7:32 AM in response to LachlanMann
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    Jan 15, 2012 7:32 AM in response to LachlanMann

    already tried to restore it using MacBook Pro but still it cant because of error 1430 ocurred. any suggestions will be highly appreciated.....

  • by applemanic,

    applemanic applemanic Jan 15, 2012 7:37 AM in response to turingtest2
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    Jan 15, 2012 7:37 AM in response to turingtest2

    when i try the Erase your iPod - The Super Fix for most iPod Problems method it can't erase or repair the ipod classic because when try to do it an error will pop up on my window hence it cant totally repair or erase the disk of my ipod....also i already tried those resolutions on the apple support regarding the error 1430 but still no avail.....your suggestion is highly appreciated.....

  • by turingtest2,

    turingtest2 turingtest2 Jan 15, 2012 7:54 AM in response to applemanic
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    Jan 15, 2012 7:54 AM in response to applemanic

    You can't format the iPod's drive at all? What OS are you using? Have you access to a different one? As long as you can get the drive in disk mode you ought to be able to format it at least. Having done that you could run a surface scan before attempting to restore with iTunes.

     

    tt2

  • by Chris1900,

    Chris1900 Chris1900 Jan 15, 2012 12:25 PM in response to turingtest2
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    Jan 15, 2012 12:25 PM in response to turingtest2

    Hey

     

    Cheers for all the advice, I managed to figure out what it was thanks to your help.

     

    The problem was the HD.. I just hadn't checked the diagnostics right! Looks like a new HD is in order

     

    Thanks again for your help!

  • by applemanic,

    applemanic applemanic Jan 20, 2012 8:05 AM in response to turingtest2
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    Jan 20, 2012 8:05 AM in response to turingtest2

    i can't format the ipod drive at all... the os im using is MAC OS X, 10.7.2. hope you can figure out what's wronng with my classic...tnx....

  • by Bilbo_cheshire,

    Bilbo_cheshire Bilbo_cheshire Jan 20, 2012 8:32 AM in response to applemanic
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    Jan 20, 2012 8:32 AM in response to applemanic

    Applemanic, for us to help you, please tell us what is the error message that pop up, when you try formatting as tt2 suggested using Disk Utility Erase tool and as I was mentioning in reply to your other post, that it will take about 5 hours to do a low level format of the 160GB iPod harddisk.

    Your iPod looks new, only 393 hours, perhaps better to bring it in to Apple Genius Bar for them to have a look, if it is under warranty.

     

    Have a nice day!

  • by applemanic,

    applemanic applemanic Jan 22, 2012 9:18 PM in response to Bilbo_cheshire
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    Jan 22, 2012 9:18 PM in response to Bilbo_cheshire

    this the windows that pop up when i tried to reformat my ipod classic in disk utility: Volume Erase failed with the error:

     

    POSIX reports: The operation couldn’t be completed. Input/output error....

     

    your help is highly appreciated....

  • by turingtest2,

    turingtest2 turingtest2 Jan 22, 2012 11:05 PM in response to applemanic
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    Jan 22, 2012 11:05 PM in response to applemanic

    POSIX reports: The operation couldn’t be completed. Input/output error....

     

    Then I think your drive is dead...

     

    tt2

  • by hvai,

    hvai hvai Jul 12, 2012 8:18 AM in response to turingtest2
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    Jul 12, 2012 8:18 AM in response to turingtest2

    Hi,

    This is the SMART DATA results of my iPod after running the erase super fix instruction.

     

    Restracts: 3

    Reallocs: 16376

    Pending sectors: 0

    PowerOn Hours: 122

    Start/Stops: 4090

    Temp: Current 37C

    Temp: Min 18C

    Temp: Max 56C

     

    My Reallocs is very high, does that mean my iPod classic 160GB is beyond safe?

    Everytime after restoration, I tried syncing my iPod again, even thou the sync is successful but as soon as I ejected my iPod, it shows "No Music" =(. I've limited my smart playlist to sync 1 song at a time only but still it could not write 1 song to my iPod successfuly.

     

    Is it a hard drive issue?

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