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  • ReDRuMxxx Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 16, 2012 4:03 PM (in response to mulligans missus)

    mulligans missus wrote:

     

    Yep, that's the dumb one.

     

    Well, if that's the level of discourse you understand, then this is the article which might be of more interest to you.

     

    + You're fat!

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,330 points)
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    Jan 16, 2012 4:08 PM (in response to ReDRuMxxx)

    ReDRuMxxx wrote:

     

    mulligans missus wrote:

     

    Yep, that's the dumb one.

     

    Well, if that's the level of discourse you understand, then this is the article which might be of more interest to you.

     

    + You're fat!

    You can tell that from his typing? I am impressed.

  • Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)
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    Jan 16, 2012 4:21 PM (in response to ReDRuMxxx)

    Stop, stop.  The right way to handle this is to ignore MM's interruptions.  I learned this 20 pages back. 

     

    The technical discussions are way more interesting. The user ingenuity described, whether it works or not, is really impressive.  I bet someone solves the problem.

     

    Sorry we're all not feeling much love right now.  It would be nice to see Apple chime in at some point, if not here, then in a venue in which it feels safer.  The article in Forbes, about Apple putting on hold its Mac users to better serve the iPhone herd, is devastating.  What a shame  Apple didn't respond earlier, before it was published.  This type of report has to have corporate CIO's on edge, since who will want to take responsibility when the CEO's Mac dies in the middle of a shareholder presentation?

     

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2011/12/11/apples-battery-problems-with- osx-10-7-lion-and-what-it-tells-us-about-apple-becoming-a-consumer-electronics-c ompany/

     

    There's a long string of comments to that article by primarily business and corporate users that indicates that what we are experiencing here is neither rare nor unique, but commonplace.  That it's happening to people with real budgets to spend on gear is indicative of how serious this problem is -- and I don't mean battery life.  I mean, in the words of the article's author:

    [A]t the risk of a bit of hyperbole, an interesting problem for those who have traditionally bought computers from Apple. The realisation that you’re no longer really buying computers from a computer company. You’re buying your computers from a consumer electronics company, one which dearly loves and cherishes their computer division, yes, but a computer division which is less important than the consumer electronics side.

     

    If there’s a clash between paying attention to the phones and tablets side of the business and paying attention to those Mac users who kept the company going through all the bleak years: well, sorry guys, those who want to chat and watch videos are going to get that attention, not you with the $4,000 machine.

     

    As I say, this is risking being slightly hyperbolic, but there’s a truth here all the same. Phones and tablets are vastly more important to Apple than computers are now so that’s where Apple’s attention is going to be. If there are problems with computers then they’re going to be in the queue behind any problems there might be on that consumer electronics side. Which is really something of a sea change from the way that Apple treated its computer buyers 5 and 15 years ago, isn’t it?

  • mulligans missus Level 2 Level 2 (370 points)
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    Jan 16, 2012 4:15 PM (in response to Bob Jacobson)

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    Stop, stop.  The right way to handle this is to ignore MM's interruptions.  I learned this 20 pages back. 

     

     

    No you didn't. You can't help yourself.

    It would be nice to see Apple chime in at some point, if not here than in a venue in which it feels safer. 

    How many more times must you be told that this is a user to user forum and Apple don't come here. If they had something to say about it they would release it on their official site, not here.

     

    Cheers

  • Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)
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    Jan 16, 2012 4:16 PM (in response to mulligans missus)

    You are a sociopath.  You get off on poking.  You have no idea what you're talking about.  I thought so.  Over and out.

  • mulligans missus Level 2 Level 2 (370 points)
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    Jan 16, 2012 4:18 PM (in response to Bob Jacobson)

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    You are a sociopath.  You get off on poking.  You have no idea what you're talking about.  I thought so.  Over and out.

    See?

  • Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)
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    Jan 16, 2012 4:23 PM (in response to mulligans missus)

    ...

    MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8), Apple User Since 1981
  • Franc_Iphone Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Jan 16, 2012 4:33 PM (in response to Michael Empric)

    First, APPLE do come here - I have sent enough people from engineering here. So have others.

     

    Two, APPLE have contacted people on this thread.

     

    Three, APPLE are working on a fix

     

    Four, products like GFXcardStatus help a LOT *and* APPLE know this and used this info to help diagnose

     

    Five, we have it on GOOD faith that Apple recently hired the GFXcardstatus developer

     

    Six, I have been working with APPLE exec team and engineering. They have taken diagnostics from me and many others.

     

    Seven, Apple have not publically admitted anything which is a shame. They have told me they are aware and the problem seems related to some programs doing worse under LION when calling older methods for any GUI work.

     

    Eight, there is a genuine problem, Apple know about it, there are things in the work, I cannot share thanks to their agreements when you go into Beta or testing of "fixes".

     

    So, for the rest of you, without a problem or speak for which you know little about, GO AWAY. For the rest of us, we are not happy it is taking so long BUT we are happier to know, we are NOT ALONE.

  • chipmason Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 16, 2012 4:49 PM (in response to Franc_Iphone)

    This is absolutely real, and reproducable.

     

    However, I am seeing this on my new 15" but not on the 13" MacBook pro. My guess is that it has something to do with how discrete graphics on the 15" is enabled. For this, GFXcardstatus has been really helpful, as it indicates when an app is calling for discrete graphics, and it seems to let me disable them. Many apps, and many you would not expect, call on the graphics, like say PowerPoint.  Hopefully a fix will revert or change how Lion handles discrete graphics.

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,330 points)
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    Jan 16, 2012 5:20 PM (in response to Bob Jacobson)

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

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    Copies of lion sold by 10/4/11 6,000,000, attrib: http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/04/6-million-copies-of-lion-and-other-impressive-app le-sales-figure/

     

     

    Interpreting “most” as meaning more than half:

     

     

    “Most” copies of Lion Sold 3,000,001, attrib: Csound1

     

     

    Number of unique posters on this site: less than ten thousand, attrib: unsubstantiated observation

     

     

    Percentage of users with problems 0.000332 attrib: Csound1

     

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    That you persist in stating that “most” users of OSX Lion have varied problems including but not limited to short battery life does a great disservice to those interested in a solution, instead of seeking the common factor amid a small subset of installations they (if they put credence in you) are looking for the common factor amongst 3,000,001 installations, a search that I will wager money won’t succeed.


  • sronco Calculating status...
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    Jan 16, 2012 5:54 PM (in response to Michael Empric)

    I'm testing 10.7.3 and the problem continues... i'm back to SL

  • ReDRuMxxx Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 16, 2012 6:07 PM (in response to Csound1)

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

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    Copies of lion sold by 10/4/11 6,000,000, attrib: http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/04/6-million-copies-of-lion-and-other-impressive-app le-sales-figure/

     

     

    Interpreting “most” as meaning more than half:

     

     

    “Most” copies of Lion Sold 3,000,001, attrib: Csound1

     

     

    Number of unique posters on this site: less than ten thousand, attrib: unsubstantiated observation

     

     

    Percentage of users with problems 0.000332 attrib: Csound1

     

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    That you persist in stating that “most” users of OSX Lion have varied problems including but not limited to short battery life does a great disservice to those interested in a solution, instead of seeking the common factor amid a small subset of installations they (if they put credence in you) are looking for the common factor amongst 3,000,001 installations, a search that I will wager money won’t succeed.


     

    I'm not sure what you did there but 0.000332% of 3000000 is 10 people. You're saying that out of 3 million installations only 10 are "bad"?

     

     

    I would calculate it like this - What percent of Apple forums visitors have reported this problem?

     

    Number of unique visitors - approx 10000

     

    Number of reported bad installations in this thread alone - lets say 200 (I don't know what's the exact number of reported "bad" installations but the point is clear.

     

    PERCENTAGE OF AFFECTED MACHINES AMONG APPLE FORUM USERS - 2% - This is a HUGE number. (Of course I'll ignore the "most" semantics discussion because it's just silly).

     

    I could go on to say that it's a well know fact that for every poster there's ten more lukers which would increase the percentage a lot. Also, one could easily argue about other flaws in both of our calculations and pull the actual percantage in one way or another in many different ways.

     

    But just imagine Apple decided to place a poll on the front page of this forum - Lion battery life - Same or worse than SL? I assure you the percentage would be much bigger than 2%. I base that conclusion on my knowledge in statistics and the number of posts / views / reports in this thread. 

     

    The conlusion is that my statistics calculation is BAD but yours is HORRIBLE.

     

    Any serious statistician can tell you that based on this thread alone the number of affected users is SIGNIFICANT, and that Apple are definitely aware of the problem.

     

    Now if you wish to continue the discussion about what's "most", you can, but i'd say it's totally besides the point because updates and patches have been issued and jobs have been lost ( ) for problems affecting far less than 1% of users.

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,330 points)
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    Jan 16, 2012 6:05 PM (in response to ReDRuMxxx)

    ReDRuMxxx wrote:

     

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

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    Copies of lion sold by 10/4/11 6,000,000, attrib: http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/04/6-million-copies-of-lion-and-other-impressive-app le-sales-figure/

     

     

    Interpreting “most” as meaning more than half:

     

     

    “Most” copies of Lion Sold 3,000,001, attrib: Csound1

     

     

    Number of unique posters on this site: less than ten thousand, attrib: unsubstantiated observation

     

     

    Percentage of users with problems 0.000332 attrib: Csound1

     

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    That you persist in stating that “most” users of OSX Lion have varied problems including but not limited to short battery life does a great disservice to those interested in a solution, instead of seeking the common factor amid a small subset of installations they (if they put credence in you) are looking for the common factor amongst 3,000,001 installations, a search that I will wager money won’t succeed.


     

    I'm not sure what you did there but 0.000332% of 3000000 is 10 people. You're saying that out of 3 million installations only 10 are "bad"?

     

    You're right, a typo

  • Barbara Passman3 Level 2 Level 2 (180 points)
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    Jan 16, 2012 6:55 PM (in response to MacMark88)

    Wow the Forbes article is powerful.

    To me what matters is that the issue be taken seriously and addressed. I can understand Apple not jumping at the first reports as not everyone reporting a problem may be reporting about the same thing.

    But when the issue increasingly and repeatedly is reported,here and elsewhere, at the least we users would appreciate offiicial acknowledgement and intent to delve into the problem.

  • htmanning Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 16, 2012 7:01 PM (in response to Barbara Passman3)

    I'm actually surprised there hasn't been a class action lawsuit over this.  Apple has continued to advertise 7 hour battery life and it's just not possible. 

     

    I've tried everything...clean install, nothing loading automatically, only having one browser open and I can't get more than 3.5-4 hours.  gfxCardStatus hasn't really helped me at all.  I've set it on internal only and dynamic and I get about the same amount of life.  This is happening on both my 2011 MBP 15 and 2011 MBA 13.  Lion is Apple's Vista.  I love the idea of Lion, but in practice it *****.

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