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Jan 17, 2012 11:44 PM in response to Allan Eckertby Ronda Wilson,Allan Eckert wrote:
I will not believe that until I see it. If the past experience with Intuit delivering on its promises is any indication, I am betting we will see it in the spring 2014.
Allan
That's probably soon enough to suit me.
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Jan 18, 2012 4:15 AM in response to Ronda Wilsonby Csound1,Ronda Wilson wrote:
I abhor Intuits arrogant assumption that the Mac market is unimportant and am thus elated that they failed to be ready for this change, and am even more content that Apple chose not to pander to Intuit and others who choose not to update out of laziness, or carelessness.
I don't consider it lazy not to want to try to evaluate a dozen applications to attempt to replace what "just works" for me now. I simply have better ways to spend my time. Carelessness? I don't see how that applies to me. I have been very careful not to upgrade to a version of the OS which does not suit me at this particular time and careful to buy before I was trapped into an OS that won't work as well for me as Snow Leopard does.
I will be happy if Intuit does eventually update Quicken, and I will probably buy it, but even that won't have me updating to Lion any time soon.
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/12/22/intuit-to-deliver-quicken-update-for-lion-compati bility/
Ronda, You have entirely misunderstood, I am not referring to users, I am referring to the manufacturers who for whatever reason choose not to keep their product viable and then blame the OS manufacturer for the result. As for that post I have no faith in Intuit to make good on it, they jave always treated their Mac customers as 3rd class, don't see that changing anytime, sorry, they are awful.
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Jan 21, 2012 9:21 PM in response to Csound1by Ronda Wilson,I have been using Quicken for doing our taxes since our 1994 return. It came bundled with our Performa 6300CD. It's an "old dog — new tricks" kind of thing for me, I guess.
You may consider it awful; I considered it a godsend. I got to put away the ledger paper for good.
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Jan 22, 2012 5:03 AM in response to Ronda Wilsonby Csound1,Ronda Wilson wrote:
I have been using Quicken for doing our taxes since our 1994 return. It came bundled with our Performa 6300CD. It's an "old dog — new tricks" kind of thing for me, I guess.
You may consider it awful; I considered it a godsend. I got to put away the ledger paper for good.
Yes, you and many others, but I find it interesting that Intuit choose to abandon Mac users yet you direct your ire at Apple. I used Quicken and when Intuit decided not to update their software I chose to use something else. YMMV
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Jan 22, 2012 11:18 PM in response to Csound1by Ronda Wilson,I haven't directed ire anywhere. I'm not angry about it. A little disappointed, maybe, but certainly not angry. I expect it. Some of the most fun applications I ever used are/were OS 9 applications.
I didn't start using OS X until 10.3.
Onward and upward, but I will lag, as usual.
As I said before (but not yet on this page), I bought the last, best 13-inch MacBook Pro that would run Snow Leopard last March just because I figured Rosetta was a dead duck in Lion. I expected to be left behind, and here I am. I will go with what I have as long as it is possible to do so.
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Jan 30, 2012 11:38 PM in response to Allan Eckertby firedancing,I can't say there are millions of us out here... But I have Photoshop CS4, Final Cut 6, Final Draft.. well - etc, etc, etc and for me upgrading means replacing a lot. Many of these posts assume Mac users are all paying attention to Apple's intentions and plans. NOT. I have a lot of things to pay attention to my computer is not at the top of things I want to stress over or I would own a PC. I bought a new iMac and took it back as soon as I spent a few days with Lion. In these economic times I don't want to spend money replacing perfectly good programs. Especially the switch to Final Cut X. No thanks. So I bought a refurbished iMac from May 2011 and am grateful that Apple assured me that tech support could help me put Snow Leopard on it. I have a copy I never used... (Don't really know why I have it) So my fix is to use my OLD perfectly good programs and regroup. Rosetta was great but I never realized it was transitional. That's just me -- out of touch. But I am guessing there are many more out there like me. Maybe there are millions, maybe not -- but there sure is a lot of complaining going on in cyberspace about "taming the lion". Is Lion progress? or is it Mac's VISTA? Only time will tell. Those refurbs are going fast. Get them while you can. I like progress fine when it makes life easier. Lion hasn't done that for me. "If it's not broke don't fix it"
On the subject of Apple losing money keeping Rosetta... hmmm.
Apple is losing money? Really? That must be something else I missed.
Maybe it cost them money to keep Rosetta going. But Rosetta was keeping me going.
So now I will have to adjust. I'll just take my time for now.
Maybe Apple's next cat will be more friendly :-)
I know I may be missing out and the time will come when I can't update my iphone. Then I will really have to pay attention.
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Jan 31, 2012 12:14 AM in response to firedancingby Tom in London,Lesson: what Apple giveth, Apple also taketh away.
Moral: don't ever become too dependent on any of the current features or functionalities of the Mac OS (either Lion or any future version) because at a time of its own choosing, and without necessarily telling you beforehand, and certainly not with any apology, Apple may discontinue it and not explain why.
This doesn't only apply to Rosetta but to countless other things Apple has discontinued, over the years. So it would be prudent to assume that there's nothing in Lion now that might not be available, or not work, or be dropped, a few more years down the line.
That has been the trend, and I can see no reason to suppose that it won't continue.
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Jan 31, 2012 3:23 AM in response to firedancingby Ronda Wilson,Hi, and welcome to Apple Support Communities, firedancing.
Could you maybe use this as a little lesson? You do need to pay attention to what is in the works to avoid such a situation in the future.
I'm online a lot and kind of keep my ear to the ground for issues that may present with any new version of the Mac OS. Scuttlebutt and prognostications are against the terms of use here, but there are other sites that are not so tight-lipped.
In addition to refurbs, you can go back in time with eBay, too, if you're careful. There are a lot of people there who simply have to have the latest, greatest, and sell their previous model to help pay off the new one. I always make sure that any system discs that originally came with a used Mac are included in my purchase.
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Jan 31, 2012 6:15 AM in response to Tom in Londonby Csound1,Tom in London wrote:
Lesson: what Apple giveth, Apple also taketh away.
Moral: don't ever become too dependent on any of the current features or functionalities of the Mac OS (either Lion or any future version) because at a time of its own choosing, and without necessarily telling you beforehand, and certainly not with any apology, Apple may discontinue it and not explain why.
This doesn't only apply to Rosetta but to countless other things Apple has discontinued, over the years. So it would be prudent to assume that there's nothing in Lion now that might not be available, or not work, or be dropped, a few more years down the line.
That has been the trend, and I can see no reason to suppose that it won't continue.
Kinda like VHS tape, wire recorders, the telegram etc etc
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Jan 31, 2012 6:34 AM in response to Csound1by Tom in London,Kinda like VHS tape, wire recorders, the telegram etc etc
You misunderstand. None of those were Apple or Apple-related products.
I was referring to things like Rosetta, Front Row, AppleWorks, etc. - all things that people came to rely on (which was a mistake).
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Jan 31, 2012 6:40 AM in response to Tom in Londonby Csound1,Tom in London wrote:
Kinda like VHS tape, wire recorders, the telegram etc etc
You misunderstand. None of those were Apple or Apple-related products.
I was referring to things like Rosetta, Front Row, AppleWorks, etc. - all things that people came to rely on (which was a mistake).
People came to rely on everything I mentioned, Apple are no different from Sony, Siemens and Edison ... they all moved on, sometimes over protests from a subset of their customers.
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Jan 31, 2012 6:52 AM in response to Csound1by Tom in London,My post referred exclusively to Apple products or products that require the MacOS to function.
Nothing else.
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Jan 31, 2012 11:55 AM in response to Tom in Londonby firedancing,Apple does in fact give and take away... I don't see Apple as Edison ... (Even if Jobs genius matched old Tom Edision) Apple is an amazing company with products we all love. But I must agree with Tom. Apple can illicit a Love/Hate relationship. Once there was a company called AOL and it was millions of peoples way to the internet (seems like another century... oh wait it was!) :-) Anyway, you could sign up for their service but it was hard to find out how to cancel it. People loved it... and then they hated it. But for many it was the only real option in town. So it was LOVE/HATE.
Imagine if next year we all had to upgrade just to get online? Imagine you personally could not afford to to so.
Kind of like the transition from analog TV and digital. That was a transition that was announced on TV, written up all over and then delayed. In the end many people were given subsidized boxes to make it work for the majority in the country. It was progress but recognized the needs of poor folk.
Apple is a bit different variety of AOL in a way. We do love it in a most unhealthy way I suppose. Apple says "Look what we made -- you love it --- you want it --- you need it!" And we do. And there is a lot to love. But whether it is their pricing (Jeez -- really? how much?) or changing things up on a whim.... They "Do what they want". And I guess that is ok. I try to remain flexible and I know ebay is an option. As I said whether Lion is a great new improvement or not, only time will tell.
But to Csound I can only say... Lion could not possibly be in the same league with VHS tape, wire recorders, the telegram. It is an operating system... not a moon landing.
No need to cast aspergions on those of us who are not tickled pink with Apple's latest offering.
What I did appreciate was Apple's support in fixing my issue, which was the offer of tech support to downgrade my refurbished iMac. That is a part of Apple I love. I am also conifident that they will quickly fix as many bugs as possible. Personally I have skipped some of the OS cats in the past. I'm a practical person not a techno elite. I only want the newest coolest thing if it has a practical place in improving my life.
I am sure I will check compatibilities more in the future so, yes, a lesson learned. But I think that dropping Rosetta is a choice made for Apple -- not for us. Apple does want to please us with their sleekly designed and latest greatest products. But let's face it... forcing people into getting a new gadget or software to work with your new iphone or computer is good business. You spend money and they make it. I get it. But you can't make me like spending the money.
Well enough yabbering for me. Love Apple stuff... sometimes they annoy me. So found this blog in response to may annoyance regarding Lion. Interesting facts and opinions. Y'all have a great day.
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Feb 4, 2012 6:50 AM in response to daveyostcomby drfumanchu,So your essentially asking Apple to be Microsoft. What makes the OSX operating system so great is that Apple is willing to shed the old skin in favor of a new one. Micro$haft's biggest problem is they still insist on having all that legacy code in their bloated OS. And that's what virus makers target!
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Feb 4, 2012 11:25 AM in response to drfumanchuby firedancing,Actually I don't think I was asking Apple that at all.
In fact.... I don't think you read my post.
What I said was love Apple, but Lion may or may not be the best thing since scotch tape. It just isn't for me right now.
What makes Apple so great is a matter of opinion. In my opinion it has been its user friendly interface, its resistence to virus's and its stable platform. There is a number of PC users who believe Apple has bloated OS. I am not one of those.