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  • 9,795. Re: iPhone 4s Battery Life?
    w7sg_599 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    I see the phonearena folks have "average" battery life figures ...

     


    http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Apple-iPhone-4S_id5257

  • 9,796. Re: iPhone 4s Battery Life?
    rphunte42 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    enx23 wrote:

     

    @Mark_SRi

     

    I have a feeling that we are talking about different things.

     

     

    Mark_SRi wrote:

     

    A Radio Basestation does not transmit GPS data of its location.

    I agree with you 100%.

     

    BUT for example Google, Apple, etc. have access to the databases of Radio Basestations all over the world (most of the world) and their GPS coordinates (e.g. this is how some Google apps installed on Symbian mobile phones with no GPS can still pinpoint someone's location on google map).

     

     

    All communication on establishing where a base station is through Radio Communications......depending on the technology 2G/3G, you will be looking for a BCCH on the 2G and a Scrambling Code for the 3G. None of which is through GPS...Turn your GPS off.....your phone still works......

    I agree with you 100%. This is how majority of the mobile phones are working and they are doing it well. The exception is the iPhone 4S. iPhone 4s seems that it might use:

    1) its own built-in database of GPS coordinates of radio basestations, and

    2) the GPS

    in order to find/search the cell network. This is how it looks to me that iPhone 4S is doing and I have to say that if indeed iPhone 4s is doing it this way it is very very weird!!!!

     

    I am trying to highlight here that iPhone 4S is very weird from this point of view and I do not like that iPhone 4s does it this way because it raises a lot of question marks! Also one should keep in mind that iPhone 4s can operate on CDMA and GSM networks.

    I have not been able to find any reason to believe your interpretation, beyond the placement of the option in 'location services'.  I will go with the expert in this case.

  • 9,797. Re: iPhone 4s Battery Life?
    rphunte42 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    enx23 wrote:

     

    @Mark_SRi

     

     

    Mark_SRi wrote:

     

    I have done some searching, it is providing the user with no use whatsoever. It is your way of opting in or our of Apples program of them collecting your location data and what you are upto to sell on to other companies as marketing data.

     

    See below:

     

    Cell Network Search is a location based service that sends your location information, and the tower ids of the network towers within range of (and thus detected by) your phone.  It is used by Apple marketing (and whomever they choose to sell/share the database with)

     

    Those features in System Services are all about sending your location based information TO Apple, not about enabling features or services on your iPhone.  This is Apple's way of allowing you to opt out of the collection of location based data that previously was done surriptiously without overtly letting you know or have any way to stop it.

     

    Indeed it looks that my observation was not good ;-) Anyway, it is very weird name to have "Search Cell Network".

    Wow!  Something we agree on! 

  • 9,798. Re: iPhone 4s Battery Life?
    franky932 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    enx23 wrote:

     

    @sbailey4

     

    This is my last reply to you!

     

     

    sbailey4 wrote:

     

    Ok Whatever you say.

    Yeah, right...

     

     

    As for how long 2 yrs? Well lets see, your math counts 3 months as 1 year so yeah if a patch is released by March that will be about 2 yrs. So you are close there!

    I do not know what you count there but I was asking a question there. I was asking "will it take two years for Apple to fix the issues of iPhone 4s?". Did you notice the question mark? Is it wrong to ask questions? Obviously one is bothered if really simple questions are asked here on this forum. Instead of answering my question you are trying to prove a point by showing that the question is wrong.

     

     

    Just so you know when new code is written, they are not trying to fix anything cause they dont know what does not work as expected yet.

    Now should I fall on my back because "when new code is written, they are not trying to fix anything cause they dont know what does not work as expected yet.". Are you really serious? Should I fall on my back? What do you mean by "they dont know what does not work as.."? What do they know? Do they know anything?

     

    Should one give a break to Apple and forgive Apple because one should understand that is difficult to write code? Are you really serious? Do you mean that Apple cannot hire thousands of programmers in China and fix fast some software bugs in days or weeks instead of months or years?

     

    This is how I see it. Apple sold me an iPhone 4s which has many issues (bad quality voice, static noise issue, battery life issue, etc.) and which I paid with my own money (a lot of money by the way compared to other phones). I want the issues of my iPhone 4s to be fixed now (or yesteryear) or I want my money back from Apple. Apple sold me a crappy iPhone 4s and it is Apple's fault and nobody's else. I was not told when I bought the iPhone 4s that I will be some kind of guinea pig for months for testing their software of their iPhone 4s while also paying for it. Apple will not get any break from me just because I should understand software is difficult to write/fix. There are plenty of companies which sells smartphones and those companies can fix their software in days/weeks and not months and also acknowldge immediately the issues and not ignore the customers' complains.

     

     

    Thats all I am trying to get into your head.

    Exactly, this is my point which I was raising few posts ago. One tries to push his/her believes onto me! I do not want to get into my head that software is some kind of god and just because of that one should fall on his/her back when one hears the word software! All I want is, that when I buy a product with my own money (e.g. phone, tv, car, watch, etc.), to work as it is in specifications. As a buyer/customer I want to buy a product which works well and I do not want to hear excuses of why it does not work well. I do not buy a product to hear excuses like "you know it is a software issues and one should fall on his back when one hears the word software"!

     

    Stop reading your posts! (really dont need to they are same the same thing over and over, 80% dont work, 80% have static, Apple will never fix it, 10 versions were released that did not fix it,should return and get money back)

    So do you mean that you reply to my posts without reading my posts? You should have stated this in every reply to my posts!

    i am with you

  • 9,799. Re: iPhone 4s Battery Life?
    Mark_SRi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Could be any number of factors for that. Being in your pocket i would expect more attenuation (loss of signal) therefore mobile is transmitting on a higher power thus reducing battery life.

     

    Other things to consider are coverage. I am sure i read somewhere that the bars shown on an Apple Phone are not indicative or actual signal strength. Basically Apple make the threshold for 5 bars to be lower than say a HTC. Therefore to the normal person the Apple will look better. However its not they are the same, just that Apple decide that such a signal strength is 5 bars and HTC decide its 4. Dont quote me on this. Its something i heard.

     

    However if you are getting a low number of bars your in poor coverage, therefore your power consumption is greater. The problem being when on the 3G network and certain thresholds are hit, these are operator dependent, each may have differing figures your phone will kick in the GSM radio as it goes into compressed mode which means its looking at the 3G and 2G network. Therefore power consumption will increase again at this point. If you are in a poor 3G coverage area, you will improve battery life by manually selecting choose 2G network only. Your phone will not be jumping between two technologies. However data rates are much less on GSM.

  • 9,800. Re: iPhone 4s Battery Life?
    sbailey4 Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    This is a SCAM. Folks should stay away from these types of things.  I mean if some hacker dude can fix this so easy why hasn't Apple released this "patch"? Think about it. Plus if you do this you have no more warranty.

     

    http://www.cultofmac.com/142616/4-99-ios-5-battery-fix-available-from-cydia-is-a -complete-scam/

    dannywonglh wrote:

     

    Apple will take their sweet time to come out with the battery fix(if there is any), so instead of desperately hoping that the fix will eventually come with ios 5.1, you have another option, that is to j@ilbre@k your iPhone 4S and install the battery fix that is already available for j@ilbr0ken 4S. I had it installed and my 4S is now draining 2x slower than before. Of course it's still your choice to continue waiting to hope that Apple will fix it eventually.

  • 9,801. Re: iPhone 4s Battery Life?
    rphunte42 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    I think they need to hire better specialists!  I usually have 70-80% battery remaining after 18 hours, and light usage.

  • 9,802. Re: iPhone 4s Battery Life?
    rphunte42 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Jameson! wrote:

     

    Again, I'm not claiming your findings are wrong, BUT.....   The pocket vs the desk test has more variables than just temp.   Movement is nearly continuous when in your pocket, while there is no movement when it is sitting on your desk.   MAYBE, when it sits still for a while, some background process kicks in?   No proof of anything on my part, just wild guesses at this point.

     

    My phone sits on the arm of my recliner when I am home, and lives in my shirt pocket when I am out.  My house is kept about 70F (21C).  I see no phantom activity.  Perhaps the temperature range on one of your chips is way off normal specs.  In a production run of millions of units, anything can happen.

    Definitely not your average problem.

  • 9,803. Re: iPhone 4s Battery Life?
    rphunte42 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Those are not averages for iPhone 4S, but comparison values for all the phones they have tested, including feature phones.

  • 9,804. Re: iPhone 4s Battery Life?
    franky932 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    whe want 5.1 UPDATE PROMISE BY APPLE SINCE NOVEMBER (sent to developpers)

     

     

    i think it wil never happens..........apple sold 35 millions in octobre to end of 2011. (3 months)

     

    and will sold 100 millions minimum  when the IP 5 with 4''screen and 2000 mah battery will go out at the end of the year (or middle).

     

    People have forgiv ang have little memory.

     

    IP4S??????????????? it their mind it is a thing of the past and present..........

     

    their energy are in the IP5.

     

    if whe would   have a update......whe would have it many weeks ago.

     

     

    is that update will give us 25-30% more juice. impossible..

     

    ANYWAY a A5 processor with all options(IOS5) and with all that energy SIRI want  the ip4s need a 1900 to 2000mah

     

    whe have to turn a smart phone in to a flip/flop phone.........2011 flop of the year.

     

    have a good day guys

  • 9,805. Re: iPhone 4s Battery Life?
    zSkeptic Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    As Mark_SRi wrote below, System Services are primarily built-in apps for Apple to collect data.  I don't know how much power they draw but since they are GPS based, they have the potential of having meaningful impact on your battery.  You can turn off all System Services and it will not impact any of the functionality of your phone. 

     

     

     

    enx23 wrote:

     

    @Mark_SRi

     

     

    Mark_SRi wrote:

     

    I have done some searching, it is providing the user with no use whatsoever. It is your way of opting in or our of Apples program of them collecting your location data and what you are upto to sell on to other companies as marketing data.

     

    See below:

     

    Cell Network Search is a location based service that sends your location information, and the tower ids of the network towers within range of (and thus detected by) your phone.  It is used by Apple marketing (and whomever they choose to sell/share the database with)

     

    Those features in System Services are all about sending your location based information TO Apple, not about enabling features or services on your iPhone.  This is Apple's way of allowing you to opt out of the collection of location based data that previously was done surriptiously without overtly letting you know or have any way to stop it.

     

    Indeed it looks that my observation was not good ;-) Anyway, it is very weird name to have "Search Cell Network".

  • 9,806. Re: iPhone 4s Battery Life?
    Mark_SRi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Come on what's the trick for that.

     

    My phone is currently on 34%, was on 43% at 14.30. 2h 25 since the reboot as instructed. 9% in 2.5hrs with no usage whatsoever.

  • 9,807. Re: iPhone 4s Battery Life?
    1AppleADayNoWay Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    sbailey4 wrote:

     

    This is a SCAM. Folks should stay away from these types of things.  I mean if some hacker dude can fix this so easy why hasn't Apple released this "patch"? Think about it. Plus if you do this you have no more warranty.

     

    http://www.cultofmac.com/142616/4-99-ios-5-battery-fix-available-from-cydia-is-a -complete-scam/

    This is quite interesting! But information gets watered down easily and you have to be more methodical in the analysis, in my opinion. Recent articles rely on Bingner's analysis (http://www.bingner.com/batteryfix.html). Yet further disclosure is required, for the following reasons:

     

    1- Bingner's document states that the "fix" only replaces com.apple.SystemPowerProfileDefaults.plist as per DHowett's findings. But DHowett's findings are not disclosed as far as I can tell, and his twitter account refers to Bingner's document. A full files diff is required to sustain his statement.

    2- Bingner's calls IOPMCopyActivePMPreferences to show the settings from the .plist which are extracted and active at the moment. And then only 4 settings are extracted, none of which are the ones in the modified .plist. Which begs the question when are the other settings from the .plist used. In my opinion, to state that the fix does nothing, he must prove that the modified settings are never used during an extended period of normal operation of the phone. Or it may be that I lack the sufficient knowledge and everyone in the field knows that only the 4 settings are ever used and that goes without saying.

     

    In my opinion both Bingner's and DHowett were lazy doing this. In this context that leaves room for the original dev to come forward and explain what his "fix" actually does, whereas B&DH could have settled the whole thing once and for all, which they did not. So this is "work in progress" in my opinion. But quite interesting.

  • 9,808. Re: iPhone 4s Battery Life?
    Mark_SRi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Okay i definitely have faulty iphone. My partners and mine were bought a day apart. Mine has been on 2hrs less than hers today. She has been on facebook and internet, calls and texting on hers. Dropped from 100% to 69%. 31% lost. From 7 to 18.48.

     

    Mine has had ten mins of calls all day down from 87% to 30% in the same time period. Mines lost 57% from 8.45 to 18.48.

     

    Both are 32gb both with os5.01

     

    Now heres the intersting bit, hers had location services and wifi switched on all day, mine has had both switched off. So despite mine having the bits that use alot of battery power switched off its still consumed more power, go figure!!!!

  • 9,809. Re: iPhone 4s Battery Life?
    Jameson! Level 1 Level 1 (40 points)

    Was she ACTUALLY ATTACHED to wifi for a good part of the day, or was her wifi simply turned on?????   Being attached to wifi makes all the difference in the world for my phone.