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  • 1,785. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    torndownunit Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ok, so a question.  I had the problem, and seemed to have fixed it over a month ago.  I have no WiFi drops anymore.   So I am a little worried about applying the new updates.   Is there anyone who HAD the problems, then had them return after applying the updates?

  • 1,786. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    M L Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    The contention a few posts back that one must live in a 100% homogenous Apple ecosystem in order to expect their products to have the most basic wireless network capability is so beyone absurd I can't even believe I have to criticize it. Come on, get real.

     

    Furthermore the contention that Apple is perhaps somehow not aware of this problem is also absurd. Apple employees own Apple products including MBAs with Lion. Said Apple employees often attempt to use their WiFi at airports, hotels, coffee shops and the like. Guess what - dozens of them have experienced this same problem themselves and have reported it back to colleagues at Apple. Now I can not offer a firm example of this, but to believe anything to the contrary would be inconceivable.

     

    Last but not least the "genius" level present at the typical "Genius Bar" these days at Apple is abysmal. Contributors to this thread have come up with so many more creative things to try than the vast majority if not all of the help offered by the "geniuses". All they know to advise is - "fresh install". Completely start over and be foreced to spend countless hours reinstalling software and returning all of your custom settings back to desired states.

     

    I too have been a big Apple fan and proponent, since the very early days of the Apple II ! I'm pretty "techie" and my advise to friends, family and colleagues is typically solicited and respected. I have been and will continue to vehemently bash the MBA+Lion for this unexcuseable problem (and others such as sleep/wake problems) and Apples unwillingness to get them fixed. I had extremely high hopes for 10.7.1, 10.7.2 and 10.7.3, I had perhaps more anticipation for these releases and a real fix than most if not all prior OS releases. Now to hear that 10.7.3 does not contain the big fix(es) is beyond disappointing.

     

    Bad Apple, very very bad.

  • 1,787. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    Harshdeep Singh Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    M L wrote:

    Furthermore the contention that Apple is perhaps somehow not aware of this problem is also absurd. Apple employees own Apple products including MBAs with Lion. Said Apple employees often attempt to use their WiFi at airports, hotels, coffee shops and the like. Guess what - dozens of them have experienced this same problem themselves and have reported it back to colleagues at Apple. Now I can not offer a firm example of this, but to believe anything to the contrary would be inconceivable.

    Thanks for updating, finally someone has come up with favor of this side. Listen Apple listen, what we all are saying! And to those who beleive Apple has not provided any real information by users, must be in some illusion!

  • 1,788. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    Carlo TD Level 3 Level 3 (550 points)

    @Harshedeep Singh

     

     

    I have to agree with Tom,

    Tom Dignam wrote:

     

    Please, Go to safe mode and reinstall 10.7.3 Combo

     

    I also have to agree with gphonei

     

    gphonei wrote:

    Harshdeep Singh wrote:

     

    Let me make all things clear!

    This wifi issue has nothing to do with the 5Ghz/2.4 or channel issues or with speeds 150Mbps/54Mbps or with B/G/N standards.

    The reason for that is everything works fine if we just change the OS either back to Leapard or Windows. It is a confirmed bug in Lion.

    I beleive that Lion has got some compatablity issues with all routers, like some said we have changed the router with Airport one, all starts working! The thing is why hardware need to be changed if the bug is in software! silly

    This type of thought process, and the associated reaction, demonstrates why Apple has been unable to identify the problem and fix it.  Let me use an example.  You say you are an IT kind of person, so let's say that I come into your office, and say my computer isn't working, what do I need to do to fix it.

     

    What would be your first response?  You'd prehaps ask some questions about what I mean by "isn't working", and then based on my answers, you'd perhaps ask some other questions to focus the information gather to what you could sense was the issue.

     

    This is what the Apple Care and Genius bar people do when you bring your problems to them.  If you can't provide informative answers, then they might not be able to focus any further with resolving your problem.

     

    Everyone can't be an expert, but you must understand that you need to help them solve the problem if you want it solved.  All of the things that people are doing to "try" and fix the problem themselves is not helping.  Everytime that the tweak a setting, replace a piece of equipment or change anything, doubles the opportunity for something else to be introduced, which can hide or remove the original stimuation that was creating the problem.

     

    Things llike this, which involve such a wide range of external equipment and conditions (RF interference), are nothing short of impossible to "solve" without some real focus using real tools that tell you "everything" about that part of the problem space.

     

    We all don't have "Service Monitors" and "Networking Expertise".  You paid a price for the equipment involved, and if you bought Apple Care, that's what entitles you to have Apple actually solve your problem.  If you didn't think Apple Care was important enough to you, to purchase it, then when your warrenty runs out, that's it, your support contract is over, plain and simple.

     

    If your computer is valuable to you, and the service you get from Apple to make sure it stays usable, is not valuable to you, then there seems to be a disconnect in the logic of that situation.  There is nothing in the world that is perfectly manufactured, and there is no software written which can be enhanced over time, without changing something about how it operates.  Those changes may or may not be compatibile with what is now, or was before.

     

    Apple does in fact, understand it's obligation to fix problems in their software, when only their products are involved.  When someone else's product is involved, then you are back in the "PC realm", where everyone is entitled to point fingers at the other parties, because they've demonstrated that it works fine with their own products.

     

    I think there is a bug or software misfeature.  I know that it will not be fixed unless everyone who is suffering, stops messing around, in ignorance, trying to fix it by just "changing stuff around".  There has to be a much more focused effort on each persons part to be a part of the solution.

     

     

    I would also suggest reinstalling the firmware which I gave the link before:

     

    Carlo TD wrote:

     

    Do you have the "world wide driver" installed or the "US driver"?

     

    http://support.netgear.com/app/products/model/a_id/12208

     

     

    I also looked back at the previous posts... cause I was feeling like It was dejavu talking with you and I suggested the following link:

     

     

    (from another thread:)  https://discussions.apple.com/message/17160974#17160974

     

    Carlo TD wrote:

     

     

    read this article, and the update on the bottom:

    http://osxdaily.com/2011/07/22/wifi-dropping-in-os-x-lion-fixes/

     

    and

     

    http://osxdaily.com/2011/11/06/lion-wi-fi-problems-solution-mac/

     

     

     

     

     

    and you told me that you had it working (even though it was a third party router that you were using:

    (from another thread:) https://discussions.apple.com/message/17160974#17160974

     

    Harshedeep Singh wrote:

     

    yes carlo TD ...

    that was the solution I did and its seems to be working....

    Thanks for help!!

     

     

    I still stand by my original statement:

     

    Carlo TD wrote:

     

     

     

    I dont mean to come across as being harsh and I should not have said your logic was ignoramus. I help peopl too with their networks. (I am not a network engineer but the amount of ridiculious things i see is mostly because of either hardware failure or people not using the latest standards on their equipment to match standards that have been upgraded or are new.)

     

     

    I think it is about time you are be more sincere and less passing the buck. Take ownership, and get your self a new router, cause it really seems it is not so much an issue with wifi, or your laptop, or os x lion but the tinkering or possibly your ISP or even your country regulating the internet. I don't know. But you like to be quick to judge, and complain, and there are many just like you, I have noticed, and personally, I help people cause I want to, but don't have to. And you dont make it easy for people trying to help other people. I hope you get your situation working.

  • 1,789. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    mrt201 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hey can you share that fix? Just brought my iMac home and no wi-fi - incredibly disappointed after having read many posts!

     

    Help!

  • 1,790. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    paulm616 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hey guys,

     

    I normally don't post but the fact that I FIXED THIS PROBLEM that was so anoying led me to want to help others.

     

    Here's what I did:

     

    1.) Go into your router and upgrade your firmware

     

    2.) Change your AP Beacon Interval level to 50

     

    I tried just about EVERY suggestion on here and nothing worked until this. I've not only been online for 6 hours but DL music at 800kps

     

    trust me this works

  • 1,791. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    mrt201 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Awesome thanks .... Where the **** do I find my router? Sorry savvy user but can't locate the router?

     

    Such a chic sorry!

  • 1,792. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    Carlo TD Level 3 Level 3 (550 points)

    I found an interesting article. It is a little old... but it brings out some observations. not all routers are built the same, especially N routers. Of course the G routers are still bullet proof - for smaller networks.

     

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/126821/wireless_routers_the_truth_about_superfast _draftn.html

     

    Oh by the way the article is 13 pages long.

     

    Message was edited by: Carlo TD

  • 1,794. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    mrt201 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks a million!

  • 1,795. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    Harshdeep Singh Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Carlo TD wrote:

     

    I found an interesting article. It is a little old... but it brings out some observations. not all routers are built the same, especially N routers. Of course the G routers are still bullet proof - for smaller networks.

     

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/126821/wireless_routers_the_truth_about_superfast _draftn.html

     

    Oh by the way the article is 13 pages long.

     

    Message was edited by: Carlo TD

    First of all thanks for your concern, Carlo let me tell you about routers. Here is the scenerio about home: I have one desktop, one macbook pro, one toshiba laptop. All these three computers have multiple operating systems (including MBP)

    When the other 2 has no problem at all regarding the wireless connection( my desktop is having wi-fi dongle attached) and when i run windows on MBP no problem occurs at all!

    According to my expirence and knowledge, this clearly points wi-fi has perfect settings and working properly. Even we can not blaim the ISP as when they come to troubleshoot this, they bring their own laptop and check if connection breaks, which does not happens at all!

    So i beleive there is no use to waste time on router, by the way i have already replaced the wi-fi router earlier in starting days when i shifted to Lion, even ISP has cross checked the connection twice. All the troubleshooting at internet source has already being done, which ultimately clears problem is in destination ( Lion running MBP).....

     

    Harsh

  • 1,796. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    Harshdeep Singh Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Okay, others have reported that the network connection is all still active, so your experience is different from some others.  In this case, it seems like perhaps your WiFi connection was indeed broken.  If you can try something more, next time it fails, lets see if we can see what kind of network traffic happens.  Open a terminal window, and run the command line:

     

    sudo tcpdump

     

    It will prompt for your password, enter it, and then this command will "snoop" all network traffic, and should show you what happens.  If you'll leave your computer alone in terms of the WiFi, to see if you an see a DHCP request go out, that would be great.  If a DHCP request never goes out, then we can say that it looks like that might be part of the problem.  If a DHCP request goes out, but is not responded to, then that points more toward something happening at the network layer where a hardware or driver problem is happening.s

     

     

    http://www.4shared.com/office/Tf7IGCU3/tcdump.html

    Here is my tcpdump watch it DHCP request is going on........

  • 1,797. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    AlyBone Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I too had the problem and fixed it a few months ago.  Ran the latest update yesterday and returned to the **** of having to reconnect manually to wifi everytime I leave the computer for a few minutes. FIX IT APPLE.

     

    I am sick of having to delete and recreate networks (which does seem to work) then update all my devices every time a software update is issued.

  • 1,798. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    snipjo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Grrr....Wifi drops are frequents but sometimes bearable....New update and this is getting worse Now!!!

  • 1,799. Re: Lion WiFi Connection Problem
    seba-sw Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi, Just in case this could help someone.

     

    i had the same problem and fixt it by changing the channel from my wireless network. from 2.412 to 2.417.

     

    It was a belgacom router.