Currently Being ModeratedFeb 16, 2012 9:37 AM (in response to keg55)
The developer's preview is here, if you want to throw $99 at it, that is...
You can play with a beta of Mountain Lion's Messages.app on Lion 10.7.3 for free here:
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 16, 2012 9:42 AM (in response to JoeyR)
Joy... "Twitter is deeply integrated into Mountain Lion". I don't use FaceBook and I don't use Twitter because I don't want to. Granted, I still won't "have" to use Twitter, but I'm going to be forced to see it all over.
How so? Twitter is integrated into iOS 5, yet you would be hard-pressed to notice that fact on a day-to-day basis. Heck, I use Twitter myself, and often forget about that integration. You're worrying yourself prematurely about something that is unlikely to be an issue.
BTW, you might consider trying Twitter. I personally can't stand Facebook, and still don't get the whole social media thing. I find no need to tell people that I just ate a ham sandwich or walked the dog, and certainly don't want to hear such information from other people! But Twitter has proven itself to be extremely useful for browsing stories from selected news sources. (I follow MacWorld and MacLife as well as a number of security companies, for example.)
GateKeeper... although not really an issue as it is now, I can already see the day when we'll need to jailbrake our Macs to install non-authorized applications.
Again, you're making up things to worry about. Why would Apple build an entire infrastructure of OS features and servers, allowing developers to verify themselves without having to put their software in the App Store, if they intended to force developers into the App Store? That makes no sense.
Us old timers haven't really been happy with the direction things have been going since Lion.
Speak for yourself. I'm an "old timer" - I've been using Macs since 1984. I like most of what was added to Lion. Most, not all, but the same would be true of pretty much any version of the Mac OS.
I've been hearing complaints like these almost since 1984, and I won't take them any more seriously now than I did 30 years ago. Most people never like change, and never want to learn a different way of doing things, even though those new ways of doing things might actually turn out to be better.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 16, 2012 10:25 AM (in response to thomas_r.)
I couldn't agree with you more Thomas.. I am a film editor so for me it's crucial that Mac platform remains being able to support pro stuff. Avid is my bread and butter yet when the whole FCP X came out and all the fiasco followed I really didn't get it. FCP X will be on par sooner then later and I am loving the change..
Going back to OS X. People are so affraid of change. In all honesty, I enjoyed Lion upgrade imensly. It was fun to figure out all new features and yes it forced me to use certain features differently.. Mostly spaces/expose but after a while it didn't make any difference. Now I am so used to it that I couldn't even imagine going back to SL.. In the end now it doesn't matter what I am running.. It all just works for me. I didn't loose absolutely anything by upgrading to LION. its all just veery natural. Ever since this OSX IOS integration began I was wondering why it's so slow.. I love how everything is getting unified.. It always bothered me that OSX was soo behind it terms of modern functions and looks. Now rip away the dock and get rid of the file system :-) **** yeah! Think about it who needs dock with mission control.. It is a redundant feature that has passed its prime. It was great for its time.. Now all old timers want my head on the stick :-)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 16, 2012 10:49 AM (in response to keg55)
So when are they going to fix Lion????
How about fixing the things wrong with the current OS before you launch a new one.
I don't own an iPhone, I will never own and iPhone or Pad. So why would I want this OS on my Mac notebook or desktop computer?
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 16, 2012 10:52 AM (in response to Darko Ibrahimpasic1)
Darko Ibrahimpasic1 wrote:
Now rip away the dock and get rid of the file system :-) **** yeah! Think about it who needs dock with mission control.. It is a redundant feature that has passed its prime. It was great for its time.. Now all old timers want my head on the stick :-)
I was about to chime in and say how I still think the Dock has its place for selecting running and frequently used applications. I see that I can do a three finger swipe up to get to Mission Control. That is as easy as going down to the Dock area which I keep hidden on my 13" MacBook Pro. Now I'm not so sure. I can pinch with thumb and three fingers to show LaunchPad. Perhaps this Dock-thingy is getting a bit old.
I definitely agree with the filesystem idea. Get rid of folders, make it an application-centric system, and index it all with Spotlight.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 16, 2012 11:03 AM (in response to JoeyR)
Joy... "Twitter is deeply integrated into Mountain Lion". I don't use FaceBook and I don't use Twitter because I don't want to. Granted, I still won't "have" to use Twitter, but I'm going to be forced to see it all over. If I want any third party integration, that should be my choice.
Just don't log into Twitter and you won't see anything.
Us old timers haven't really been happy with the direction things have been going since Lion. Most people will love it though. We'll all be using iPads with keyboards in a few years. Apple's financials speak for themselves. What they're doing works. Regardless of how vocal the minority may be, it doesn't make business sense to cater to them (us).
I'm and "old timer" (Mac user since 1994) and I like the way OS X is evolving. It seems to be a natural progression. Besides, Apple understands the difference between a desktop/laptop and mobile user experience. It's not going to all become the same thing.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 16, 2012 11:07 AM (in response to thomas_r.)
I agree... I spoke very much off the cuff there. It's entirely possible that Apple might take some of the more significant criticisms with respect to Lion into consideration. There were a lot of new ideas introduced with Lion and some were bound to cause issues for some users. Even the way it had to be installed was an issue for quite a few people (we're still seeing new threads with questions on that)... and of course the lack of support for PPC applications (which made perfect sense after five years, but it was never something that was made clear for the average user who might not be inclined to follow tech news). Frankly... I babbled on a bit when these forums first changed, but I've gotten used to that and now find the improved usability to be a benefit.
One thing I just really value is the flexibility that a "computer" offers over the mobile platforms (iOS / Android). I get paranoid when we start talking about integrating the two. There are lots of good things that can be moved over from iOS into OS X without moving over a lot of the restrictions inherent in those platforms. I guess I'm just not as flexible as I once was... but I can still bend... it just takes me a little longer
I'm usually pretty level headed about this stuff. I'm still not thrilled about Versions or having to uncheck the little box when I want to restart clean... but I'm happy with Lion otherwise. I would really just like to see them put in more options for the end user to have a little more control. I'm not a big fan of being forced to change the way I do things. Even if the new way is better, let me have the option to move into it if possible. I understand there may be some changes that are so tightly integrated into the OS that an option to "do it the old way" just isn't feasible, but there are things (like the shutdown/restart check box) that could easily be made a persistent selection.
I'll be installing the developers build on my test machine (of course I won't be able to talk about it).
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 16, 2012 11:12 AM (in response to keg55)
This is ridiculous. There are people who play on their computers and there are people who work on their computers. (And a few that do both.) Trying to make the computers I use to get work done into "super" iPhones and iPads just gets in the way of getting my work done and slows me down. I made the switch from Windows to Mac because I could get a higher performing workstation at a comparable price. Now they want to turn my workstation into a toy. I made a big investment into Mac software, and I don't want to be forced back to Windows, but putting more and more stuff inbetween me and my work just doesn't make sense. Doing away with folders is a terrible idea. I've got several terrabytes of files. (Mostly photos) I can't imagine trying to find what I want when everything is in one long list.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 16, 2012 11:26 AM (in response to WildWing4)
Why would one want to get rid of folders if there is no better alternative? I mean single-level file storage is not very intelligent. Nither app-based storage. Why? Files are created around their intention and not around their technical creation. I have lots of files that go together like a Pages document and the corresponding Keynote presentation. So they go in one folder. Why should I throw them in two buckets (Pages app and Keynote app) with tons of other unrelated docs? That makes no sense to me. Someone will earn his money by developing and selling the finder for iCloud.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 16, 2012 11:30 AM (in response to WildWing4)
I understand what you are saying John :-)
Think about it, all stuff that we are getting from IOS is what makes sense. They are not forcing us to use screen to navigate, it's not like they are discontinuing mouse and keyboard. Is not like we have to type on a Mac like we do on iPad... Hence all the typos on this post :-) They are simplifying things for things that should be simple and integrated to begin with.l I would have done this years ago if I was in charge of this. Stuff like contacts, messages, FaceTime, calendar, photos etc should be as simple as on iOS. We still have all pro tools, aperture, Adobe, avid, autocad, office, even tho I think office is junk.. (personal preference) Again people are freaking out over nothing.
You sometimes Should allow users to revert to older way of doing things, but sometimes you need to force the change because that feature needs to integrated into othe feature looking forward.. I have a friend who refuses to upgrade from windows XP because he is so stuck on windows 98 look of windows.. He thinks all this modern stuff is junk... xp can be reverted to look similar to 98. Not sure about vista or 7. (don't care either to be honest) anyway guy never embraced change so he got left so behind.. To us this sounds crazy at this point, but that's how we will look back on people who are not embracing these changes.. My biggest issue with windows and avid is they are affraid of changing things.. They just keep adding and rewarding the packaging.. It's creates a mess of an app.. Crumbesome, hard to use (by today's standards) impossible to deal with bugs, unstable etc... I admire apple approach of killing stuff off when it's pass it's prime.. God knows I don't agree with it all the tie but eventually everything works out...
Sorry for typos.. On iPad :-)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 16, 2012 11:33 AM (in response to WildWing4)
Just don't update your OS then. You don't HAVE to go to 10.7 or 10.8 if what is offered doesn't fit your needs.
As far as being nervous about updates goes, Lion was a very buggy experience for me. Kernel panics all too often, wi-fi issues and the fact I did not own a trackpad (desktop setup), made the experience very minimal. I didn't need Versions, Launchpad was unnecessary with my collection of apps, and Mail and Address Book weren't very good either.
But, this isn't about Lion. The twitter integration is AWESOME (side note: Apple, just buy out Twitter already. Seriously). And, accessing Notes on a Mac is one huge issue many iOS users complain about. So it's good they fix that. Reminders seems kind of stuffed in there, and Notification Center is great for e-mails. Gatekeeper is an interesting concept... and what I think foreshadows the future of OS X..
I can't help note a few things. Will OS X become a beefed up version of iOS, or the opposite? It seems like it's moving in that direction. It's pretty eerie to think about.
One final thing to say, is that as we move forward in the world of OS X, it's good to think back to the era of Steve Jobs. Is Apple preserving his ideals of a tightly controlled environment?
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 16, 2012 11:42 AM (in response to WildWing4)
There are people who play on their computers and there are people who work on their computers. (And a few that do both.) Trying to make the computers I use to get work done into "super" iPhones and iPads just gets in the way of getting my work done
I don't understand what you're talking about. Just because Apple has integrated a few features developed for iOS back into Mac OS X does not make it a "toy." My Mac is every bit as powerful with Lion as it was with Snow Leopard. I get everything done that I did before. What are you having difficulty with?
And where do you get the idea that Apple wants to get rid of folders?