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  • 2,295. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Rayced Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    Yup, we're dealing with just another big corporation now, bloated with bureaucrats, order takers, and a largely Chinese workforce,

    What does the ethnicity of any of Apples employees have to do with this thread?

     

    That's nationality. If he'd said "asian", that's ethnicity.

    Do you want some cheese? It's ethnic.

  • 2,296. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    Yup, we're dealing with just another big corporation now, bloated with bureaucrats, order takers, and a largely Chinese workforce,

    What does the ethnicity of any of Apples employees have to do with this thread?

    I didn't mean "Chinese" as in ethnicity, I meant Chinese as in near-slave labor.  People forced to work in unforgivable conditions don't produce the greatest products ever.  The products themselves have to be simplified to adapt to the working conditions which, in this case, discourage individual aptitude, capability, and care.  It's called Fordism (based on Henry Ford's assembly line) and historically it results in cookie-cutter products of limited quality. Unfortunately, the intellectual germ behind this approach is catching and now it's being injected into software development that is simplistic, that results in battery-life and other issues.  It even dictates user behavior that is lock-step.

     

    I expect all that to change once Lenovo partners with Samsung and Asian labor in general becomes inventively competitive with Cupertino's.  I attribute Apple's rush to ensnare as many customers as possible in its iron grip to the realization that the day is not far off when there will be an alternative.  Maybe then batteries will last longer.  And Apple will be forced to compete on other than market monopolization, which will be all to the good for all computer users and Apple.

     

    Pete's right, though, it doesn't pay to be a prophet wailing outside the walls.  Might as well enjoy the fruits of Apple's waning ingenuity. Thanks for permitting me to clarify my comments. I have high expectations for China as a culture and a society.  It seems to be doing much that's right while we persist in heading in the other direction.  Apple certainly appreciates some of what China has to offer, wouldn't you say?  So should we.  Back to batteries.

  • 2,297. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,215 points)

    Rayced wrote:

     

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    Yup, we're dealing with just another big corporation now, bloated with bureaucrats, order takers, and a largely Chinese workforce,

    What does the ethnicity of any of Apples employees have to do with this thread?

     

    That's nationality. If he'd said "asian", that's ethnicity.

    Do you want some cheese? It's ethnic.

    So what does nationality have to do with it. Either way I find it a bit racist. And what does any of this have to do with dealing with the battery issue?

     

    Rayced, I have just looked at some of your other posts and they are all about cheese. If you have nothing intelligent to offer on the subject as most here do, them please make a nusience of yourself elsewhere.

     

    Thank You

     

    Pete

     

    Sorry Bob. I posted while you where explaining yourself. Sory for the cross over.

     

    Message was edited by: petermac87

  • 2,298. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Rayced Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    Rayced, I have just looked at some of your other posts and they are all about cheese. If you have nothing intelligent to offer on the subject as most here do, them please make a nusience of yourself elsewhere.

     

    Thank You

     

    Pete

     

     

    You're welcome.

    I'll let you deal with this guy, little genious.

    Have fun.

  • 2,299. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,215 points)

    What? How do you get away with being a Troll here. I cannot believe people tollerate you here. Anyhow, we will move along without your cheese (?) input, and ignore your non relevence. I see also that this is about the only thread you ever comment in.

     

    So anyway, looks from what Franc says that there is no battery fix on the horizon with Lion and we have no idea what may come with 10.8 but hopefully they may look at the machines as well. As I said earlier, my early 2007 MBP is still flying along under Lion with no battery issues at all. Since taking my new MBP back to the store after struggling for two hours battery life, and having them replace the machine, I now get 5 hours battery life which may not be what is advertised, but is certainly what I would realistically expect with the workflow and tasks I use. So in my case, it APPEARS to be machine related, but again not enough proof here, but two identical MBPs? One 2 hours, next one 5? Hmmm, the mystery continues, but let's hope it continues to be on the agenda at Apple.

     

    Regards

     

    Pete

  • 2,300. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,465 points)

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    Yup, we're dealing with just another big corporation now, bloated with bureaucrats, order takers, and a largely Chinese workforce,

    What does the ethnicity of any of Apples employees have to do with this thread?

    I didn't mean "Chinese" as in ethnicity, I meant Chinese as in near-slave labor.  People forced to work in unforgivable conditions don't produce the greatest products ever.  The products themselves have to be simplified to adapt to the working conditions which, in this case, discourage individual aptitude, capability, and care.  It's called Fordism (based on Henry Ford's assembly line) and historically it results in cookie-cutter products of limited quality. Unfortunately, the intellectual germ behind this approach is catching and now it's being injected into software development that is simplistic, that results in battery-life and other issues.  It even dictates user behavior that is lock-step.

     

    I expect all that to change once Lenovo partners with Samsung and Asian labor in general becomes inventively competitive with Cupertino's.  I attribute Apple's rush to ensnare as many customers as possible in its iron grip to the realization that the day is not far off when there will be an alternative.  Maybe then batteries will last longer.  And Apple will be forced to compete on other than market monopolization, which will be all to the good for all computer users and Apple.

     

    Pete's right, though, it doesn't pay to be a prophet wailing outside the walls.  Might as well enjoy the fruits of Apple's waning ingenuity. Thanks for permitting me to clarify my comments. I have high expectations for China as a culture and a society.  It seems to be doing much that's right while we persist in heading in the other direction.  Apple certainly appreciates some of what China has to offer, wouldn't you say?  So should we.  Back to batteries.

    I find your post racist.

  • 2,301. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    I find your post racist.

    Right, and the Tea Party thinks Obama is racist.

     

    The easiest calumny to toss at someone.  But my point sticks.

  • 2,302. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    CT Level 6 Level 6 (15,545 points)

    Bobby, Bobby, Bobby.

  • 2,303. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,465 points)

    Rayced wrote:

     

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    Rayced, I have just looked at some of your other posts and they are all about cheese. If you have nothing intelligent to offer on the subject as most here do, them please make a nusience of yourself elsewhere.

     

    Thank You

     

    Pete

     

     

    You're welcome.

    I'll let you deal with this guy, little genious.

    Have fun.

    That's Genius, but you were close.

  • 2,304. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    winter_bob Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    first the trolls are back.

     

    then there's this:

    /___sbsstatic___/migration-images/176/17622078-1.png

     

    now how much attention do you think Macs will get from here on out?...
    28 years in 1 year; laughable.

  • 2,305. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,465 points)

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    I find your post racist.

    Right, and the Tea Party thinks Obama is racist.

     

    The easiest calumny to toss at someone.  But my point sticks.

    Had the subject been Obama or the Tea party I would consider this, but they were not, in fact until you let your prejudice show there was no taint of chauvinism in this thread.

     

    You are exposed, I don't care what excuse you come up with next BJ

  • 2,306. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    You are exposed, I don't care what excuse you come up with next BJ

    Oh please, you don't know me and my politics or my culture. What race am I?  Does it matter?  No.  You're embarrassing yourself.  The others are right, let's get back to batteries.

  • 2,307. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    DrChandra Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Bob, Csound, Rayced, Franc and a few more regulars on this forum, I have not a single doubt that you are very passionate and technically advanced computer enthusiast (or pros) but I'm getting feeling that some of you struggle to get in touch with reality!

     

    C'mon guys, move on! I'm sure that all of you know that Lion is history, the end, kaput, fin, dead, especially since Mountain Lion has been released (dev)!

     

    For me this experience will be a very good lesson to think twice before I open my valet next time in Apple store.

     

    PS I installed today Mountain Lion and........................................ not sure what to say since I'm android user who personally give s#1t for iPhone/iPad!

  • 2,308. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,215 points)

    DrChandra wrote:

     

     

     

    PS I installed today Mountain Lion and........................................ not sure what to say since I'm android user who personally give s#1t for iPhone/iPad!

    How did you do that?

     

    Pete

  • 2,309. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    DrChandra Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Pete,

     

    there are many different ways and here is one:

     

    http://osxdaily.com/2012/02/17/make-bootable-os-x-10-8-mountain-lion-usb-install -drive/

     

    Good luck