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Will Mountain Lion be a free update to Lion 10.7?

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  • Joseph Kriz Level 5 Level 5 (5,045 points)
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    Feb 18, 2012 4:56 PM (in response to slyguy_28)

    slyguy_28 wrote:

     

    I avoided the buggy OS that Lion turned out to be. I'm anxious for some of the features in ML though. I'm hoping for a leap from Snow Leopard right over Lion and on to ML...

     

    Ryan

    That may not be possible....

    As it stands right now for Lion, you must have Snow Leopard 10.6.8 installed before you can purchase Lion.....

    See step no. 2 here:

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/how-to-buy/

     

    If they follow the same steps, then you would have to have Lion installed on your computer before upgrading to Mountain Lion....

  • ChiefZ Calculating status...

    In Mountain Lion's wikipedia page, Mac OS X 10.6.8 is listed as the minimum requirement for Mountain Lion.

    I guess the Developer Preview already supports upgrading to Mountain Lion from Snow Leopard's appstore.

  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (22,055 points)
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    Feb 18, 2012 6:20 PM (in response to ChiefZ)

    I guess the Developer Preview already supports upgrading to Mountain Lion from Snow Leopard's appstore.

     

    And you know this how?

  • ChiefZ Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 18, 2012 6:23 PM (in response to babowa)

    I don't know it, I assumed . I'm a new adopter anyway (post-10.6) so I don't have any non-Lion macs.

    I assumed it because it makes sense that Apple would do that, and because the writter of the wikipedia article has written this is so.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,065 points)
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    Feb 18, 2012 6:29 PM (in response to ChiefZ)

    ChiefZ wrote:

     

    In Mountain Lion's wikipedia page, Mac OS X 10.6.8 is listed as the minimum requirement for Mountain Lion.

    I guess the Developer Preview already supports upgrading to Mountain Lion from Snow Leopard's appstore.

    I am sure when I recently signed onto these Forums that speculation was against the Terms Of Use, and yet this speculation on ML, other than what Apple has released on it's media page, is getting out of hand, and to say the least futile and ridiculous.

     

    Lion is the current default OSX for new Macs. That is it.

     

    Pete

  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (22,055 points)
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    Feb 18, 2012 6:32 PM (in response to petermac87)

    Thank you.

  • Philip Tyler Level 4 Level 4 (2,255 points)
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    Feb 18, 2012 6:32 PM (in response to mntwins7)

    You might get a few more free bugs with it.

  • woodmeister50 Level 4 Level 4 (3,690 points)
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    Feb 19, 2012 3:42 AM (in response to mntwins7)

    Gee, I must be one of the "rare few" that is having

    no issues with Lion.  I have it installed on 4 of my

    Macs, none of which are having any issues.  I

    guess I am also be one of the "rare few" that actually

    have better battery performance on my Macbook Pro.

  • Sofus Comer Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Feb 19, 2012 5:24 AM (in response to mntwins7)

    Mountain Lion...

    Hmm, with this "upgrade" any last professional approach dies. Great for consumerism...

    Well done apple, rulers of the universe!

  • Philip Tyler Level 4 Level 4 (2,255 points)

    Don't get me wrong, I was being a bit facetious, on the whole I have found the transition to Lion very good.

     

    But there is this one annoying bug / problem when you have a second monitor connected to your MBP closing the lid does not make it go to sleep as it should. The display goes blank, the light comes on but does not pulsate and the hard drive keeps spinning. Unplug the external monitor and shutting the lid makes the MBP sleep as expected. The only way to get the MBP to sleep with an external monitor connected, whether it is turned on or not, is to either select Sleep from the Apple Menu or use the key combination Cmd,Alt,Eject.

     

    The fact that it works without an external monitor but not with points at this being a bug in the software.

     

    Other than that for me Lion is OK.

     

    I know there is also the problem when using two monitors that are the same you can't have separate colour profiles for them. Which is a bit of a bummer and is something that people have been doing on Macs for ages.

     

    All I hope is that Lion is fixed where it needs to be fixed before Mountain Lion is out.

     

    I do wonder if this is going to be the new way with system software, rather than charge a higher fee and bring out update less often, instead they charge a lower fee but bring out updates more often and don't actually fix the previous version and you end locked into an endless upgrade - very un Mac like!

  • Zonker in Russia Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Several clients of mine have a laptop which they attach to a nice, big monitor when they are at home/office. They have a wireless mouse/keyboard and they tuck the *closed* laptop away under the monitor, under a shelf, whatever. And this works for them.

     

    The OS is smart enough to realize the difference between "shut, no external display attached" and "shut, but external display attached" and act differently in each case.

     

    I'm not 100% sure, but I think that's a feature, not a bug.

  • Philip Tyler Level 4 Level 4 (2,255 points)

    Under Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard with an external monitor connected without any external keyboard or mouse connected shutting the lid made the laptop sleep.

     

    With Lion this is no longer the case and as far as I am concerned its a bug.

     

    I have used my Mac laptops with just external monitors connected for a number of years with no problems. It has only been since I upgraded to Lion I have had the problems with this bug.

     

    Checking the forums there would appear to be others suffering these same problems. As well as people suffering strange behaviour when they not only have an external monitor connected like me but also external keyboards and mice.

     

    So I maintain it's a bug that Apple should address such that we can enjoy how it used to work under Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard.

  • Tom in London Level 4 Level 4 (1,570 points)

    Zonker in Russia wrote:

     

    Several clients of mine have a laptop which they attach to a nice, big monitor when they are at home/office. They have a wireless mouse/keyboard and they tuck the *closed* laptop away under the monitor, under a shelf, whatever. And this works for them.

     

    The OS is smart enough to realize the difference between "shut, no external display attached" and "shut, but external display attached" and act differently in each case.

     

    I'm not 100% sure, but I think that's a feature, not a bug.

     

    Yes, it's a feature and a very useful one. When I'm not on the road I plug an old (2005) 20" Apple Cinema Display into my MacBook Pro and keep the lid shut. Very handy. I also plug in a full size Apple Keyboard + USB mighy mouse (which is my favourite kind).

     

    The Cinema Display is matte and still going strong despite having been through a flood.

     

    I find it much more difficult to work with the shiny display on the MBP.

     

    And of course I can sleep the computer in the usual way.

  • Network 23 Level 6 Level 6 (11,500 points)

    woodmeister50 wrote:

     

    My guess is that Mountain Lion will be to Lion what Snow Leopard was to Leopard.  A major bug fix upgrade in the disguise of an OS upgrade. Most of the changes in Snow Leopard were "uner the hood" and repaired a multitude of issues with Leopard.  I see Mountain Lion as being of the same nature.

    Anyone who is under the illusion that Lion was simply a bug fix upgrade needs to review the Ars Technica review of Lion's changes.

     

    The review is 19 pages long, is not fluff, and not 100% in praise of Apple either.

     

    Also, what's the deal with making "under the hood" sound like a bad thing? If Apple puts out an upgrade that is all visible features, power users would complain about it being "all eye candy and no substance." If Apple puts out an upgrade that is largely under the hood, forum posters complain about it not being anything except "bug fixes." How do we allow Apple to win here? An upgrade that largely consists of replacing and modernizing under the hood is a win in the eyes of many, because it implies fundamental substance and not merely eye candy.

     

    Just for the record, I haven't even switched all my Macs to Lion yet, so it's not like I'm following Apple blindly. I upgrade cautiously. But I think Lion is being unfairly characterized in that post.

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,320 points)
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    Feb 20, 2012 12:35 PM (in response to slyguy_28)

    slyguy_28 wrote:

     

    I avoided the buggy OS that Lion turned out to be. I'm anxious for some of the features in ML though. I'm hoping for a leap from Snow Leopard right over Lion and on to ML...

     

    Ryan

    If you didn't install it how do you know it was buggy?

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