12 Replies Latest reply: Mar 2, 2012 3:54 PM by valkel
badisfromparis Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hi everyone ! I work with Final Cut Pro for over a year now. I have the last mac book pro from April 2011 and i just finished a talk show for a guy i work for.

 

The problem is, i started the export since 2 hours and he tells me that i have to wait 4 hours. It's only 31% !!

 

I need your help 'cause i have an apointment in 2 hours and i have to give him the show ! When i do the export without the conversion, it takes 15 mins but the frame is not good and there's some problems with the video. I need to do the conversion to make it work right ! I do it before but with shorts video clips, now it's for a show of 18 minutes and it takes to much time.

 

Please help me !

 

Ah, i forgot, the show was shot with 3 Canon 7D so i don't understand why it takes so long...

 

Thanks !


MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.7), 2.3GHz IntelCore i5/4Go 1333MHzDDR3
  • 1. Re: Export Using Quicktime Conversion getting too long
    Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (41,895 points)

    #1 - Never use QT Conversion.  Too slow, unreliable.  Always export a Quicktime Movie...self contained (or uncheck that if you want it to export FAST)

     

    #2 - Render everything before you do an export.  If not, that render time is added to the export time.

     

    #3 - Please tell me you converted the Canon 7D Quicktimes (h.264) to ProRes before you began editing. I have this feeling that you didn't...and that is a common mistake that causes big issues, mainly with exporting.

  • 2. Re: Export Using Quicktime Conversion getting too long
    Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (41,895 points)

    Oh...

     

    #2a - Use COMPRESSOR to compress the file you exported into the one you need.  This is much faster, and cleaner.

  • 3. Re: Export Using Quicktime Conversion getting too long
    badisfromparis Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    So i'm so sorry. First because when i post my help here, final cut pro actually finished my export. It goes to 4hours to 2 minutes, i don't know why !

     

    But i still need you guys ! It's the first time that i work with a Canon 7D. Why si it necessary to converted to ProRes ? Can i do it with Adobe Media Encoder from the CS5 Suite ? It's the only converter that I have !

     

    I walways use QT Conversion because without, i have some problems with the images, it started with pixels, sometimes it frozes a few seconds but the sound continue to roll and even a green screen come sometimes. With QT Conversion, it never does !

  • 4. Re: Export Using Quicktime Conversion getting too long
    badisfromparis Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I never used Compressor... Is it difficult ? I'm gonna work a lot with 7D and maybe 5D in the futur and it will be great if i can understand how to make it faster !

     

    And yes, i did the render first ! For this one i use my mac but when i work to his office, it's an Imac and it takes even longer to finish the export so i need to figured it out !

  • 5. Re: Export Using Quicktime Conversion getting too long
    Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (41,895 points)

    >Why si it necessary to converted to ProRes ?

     

    Because FCP doesn't work with non-FCP codecs well.  It isn't designed to.  It, like Avid, craves that the media be converted to an editing codec that it supports.  H.264 isn't viable in FCP because it is highly compressed.  FCP isn't designed to work with that format natively.

     

    Adobe Premiere CAN work natively with H.264 because it is designed to.  It has presets, it uses graphics cards that enable CUDA and the Mercury Engine to enable more processing power to be thrown at the H.264 files.  If you don't have a graphics cards that enables CUDA and the Mercury Engine...editing H.264 in Premiere Pro is a DOG!

     

    >Can i do it with Adobe Media Encoder from the CS5 Suite ? It's the only converter that I have !

     

    Uhmmm....you should have Compressor.  It comes with Final Cut Pro...part of the install disk.  Installs by default.

     

    >I walways use QT Conversion because without, i have some problems with the images, it started with pixels, sometimes it frozes a few seconds but the sound continue to roll and even a green screen come sometimes.

     

    Because you aren't doing things right.  You need to convert the footage to ProRes before you edit to avoid these issues.

  • 6. Re: Export Using Quicktime Conversion getting too long
    Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (41,895 points)

    Compressor is FULL of presets that you just drag and drop. 

     

    If you are going to shoot a lot with DSLRs and use FCP, you need to watch this tutorial on how to work with tapeless formats in FCP:

     

    http://library.creativecow.net/ross_shane/tapeless-workflow_fcp-7/1

  • 7. Re: Export Using Quicktime Conversion getting too long
    David Mclaine Level 4 Level 4 (1,855 points)

    Which version of FCS do you have?, I believe Canon has a plug in that enables you to use Log and Transfer which will convert to Pro Res for you. Then, even if you have to use Qucktime conversion, you will stand a better chance of success.

    DM

  • 8. Re: Export Using Quicktime Conversion getting too long
    badisfromparis Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ok thanks you for this support ! I'm gonna mark this page !

     

    To Shane Ross:

    So first, i didn't know that Compressor can also use to convert videos. I started using FCP for a while by my one and i'm kinof good for post producing and i never make attention to Compressor and Color but it's gonna change !

     

    So if I understand, for whenever i convert to ProRes, i'm not gonna have this pixels images issues even if i export without the compression ?

     

    And thank you for the tutorial ! I'm gonna see that I

     

    To David Mclaine:

    And for the version, i have the last update of FCP 6 ! I don't know if they have such a thing because i just try QT Conversion and it takes over 3 hours of exportation

  • 9. Re: Export Using Quicktime Conversion getting too long
    badisfromparis Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    And sorry for my english ! I use to learn with Californication and Breaking Bad so all I know is dirty words

  • 10. Re: Export Using Quicktime Conversion getting too long
    Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (41,895 points)

    If you convert to ProRes before you edit, you should have no...or very few...issues.  Working with H.264 native is full of problems.

  • 11. Re: Export Using Quicktime Conversion getting too long
    badisfromparis Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ok ! Thanks for everything

  • 12. Re: Export Using Quicktime Conversion getting too long
    valkel Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Another exporting option ... assuming you've converted everything to ProRes ....

     

    MPEG Streamclip is a great file conversion program, and it's free.

    http://www.squared5.com/

     

    An export workflow I use sometimes is to export from Final Cut Pro using "Make Quicktime Movie" (instead of QT conversion), UN-check the box for "Make movie self-contained".  This creates a REFERENCE movie which is not a true export, it can't stand on its own and still needs the original media so you can't, for example, make a reference movie and then eject an external drive that has your source files on it. 

     

    You can open that reference movie in MPEG Streamclip and set up your conversions there (Note: I have also used MPEG Streamclip to convert files from tapeless formats instead of using Log & Transfer in Final Cut).  For exporting I think it's faster than using Quicktime Conversion, and the beauty of doing it this way is that you can let MPEG Streamclip make your export movie in the background and go back to work in Final Cut.  At least I've been able to with intel G5 and last year's iMac i7, not sure if MacBook can handle it or not.  But worth a try.

     

    Personally I prefer QT Conversion over Compressor, I just feel like I get more predictable results, maybe because I'm more comfortable with the QT Conversion controls and settings windows, though yes it can be mighty slow.  And I have also experienced the bizarre leap of an export being at 40-something percent and then suddenly jumping to "Done". 

     

    That said, I still (stubbornly?) like the QT Conversion interface, and MPEG Streamclip lets you choose how you set up your Quicktime export.   In the File pull-down menu, you can choose "Export to Quicktime" and use the MPEG Streamclip settings window (closer to what you'd get in Compressor), or you can choose "Export to Other Formats", then you can still choose "Quicktime Movie" and then click on "Options" and get the QT Conversion settings windows.