14 Replies Latest reply: Mar 3, 2012 10:26 AM by allen_gibberish
allen_gibberish Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hello

 

I have to renew my computers, I've been Mac user for 11 years and I'd like to get Mac again, but I'm concerned about a couple of things:

 

1- I don't want any iCloud, App Store and things like that working in any way. So I need to know if they can be hard disabled from Terminal or stuff like that without encountering problems while working. That's because I have to guarantee to my clients that their intellectual property is intact and I don't want to delegate this responsibility to any one other then me (specially not to corporations that delegate their responsibilities to their call centers). And also because Apple Automatic Update, every time I used it, it always have screwed up my OSX installation, becoming slower and buggier (more crashes and problems in general), so if Automatic Update gives these problems I wouldn't even imagine what a App Store could do to my system (considering is much more complex and coded deep inside the OS)

 

2 - I want to know if I can install in some way OSX 10.6 because 10.7 is very buggy and has much worse performances in every pro application I know and I suppose this is not only because it is a new OS but because the way it is created to stay always synced to a iCloud service and upgraded with the App Store, meaning the OS is always working to update/upgrade its status in iCloud/ App Store. And in general I don't have time to lose because Apple needs beta tester (even thought I think this time the problem isn't of the OS but of what you are asking to the OS... to update (and upload) its status everytime).

 

I have to use a system that works great, fast, without hassles and very reliable. That's the only reason why I choose Apple.

 

3 - I don't use the internet in the computer I'm working with (because from every aspects it's better to not use internet in a computer you are working with, because it slowes down everything and makes the computer behaviour really unpredictable. Now I'm using a Mac Pro first gen and it runs like the first day, that's because I've never used internet on it, I have another one near to it where I used internet and works at half of its potential, even thought it is mainteinedly properly, cleaning, repairing, everything)

 

And I'd like to know if there are any hassle of any kind if you use the computer without internet (like softwares that asks a million of times to connect to internet or other things that do not work without internet, not talking about internet related softwares or function, just I want be able to disable any function that requires internet without having to check every time error messages that says "iTunes Store cannot connect to the internet". I open and close iTunes hundreds of time a day and it is really annoying having to check for something you haven't asked)

 

So, if in some why I can have a positive solution to all three points I've asked, I'll remain with Apple, otherwise... bye bye Apple


Mac OS X (10.7.3)
  • 1. Re: Staying with Apple or back to PC? iCloud, App Store and so on
    shldr2thewheel Level 7 Level 7 (25,845 points)

    allen_gibberish wrote:

     

    1- I don't want any iCloud, App Store and things like that working in any way.

     

    No, you can not disable the App Store.  It is included on Macs running 10.6.6 or higher.

     

     

    2 - I want to know if I can install in some way OSX 10.6 because 10.7 is very buggy and has much worse performances in every pro application I know and I suppose this is not only because it is a new OS but because the way it is created to stay always synced to a iCloud service and upgraded with the App Store, meaning the OS is always working to update/upgrade its status in iCloud/ App Store. And in general I don't have time to lose because Apple needs beta tester (even thought I think this time the problem isn't of the OS but of what you are asking to the OS... to update (and upload) its status everytime).

     

    I have to use a system that works great, fast, without hassles and very reliable. That's the only reason why I choose Apple.

     

    You can not install an earlier version of OS X than what originally came on your computer.  Even if you did, it could cause major headaches: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2186

     

     

    3 - I don't use the internet in the computer I'm working with (because from every aspects it's better to not use internet in a computer you are working with, because it slowes down everything and makes the computer behaviour really unpredictable. Now I'm using a Mac Pro first gen and it runs like the first day, that's because I've never used internet on it, I have another one near to it where I used internet and works at half of its potential, even thought it is mainteinedly properly, cleaning, repairing, everything)

     

     

    Most people in this day and age use the internet on their computers and have no problems that you speak of.

     

     

    And I'd like to know if there are any hassle of any kind if you use the computer without internet

     

    In # 3 you already stated you use one without the internet.

  • 2. Re: Staying with Apple or back to PC? iCloud, App Store and so on
    allen_gibberish Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ok, look, I don't find the quote function, so take it as it is:

     

    //No, you can not disable the App Store.  It is included on Macs running 10.6.6 or higher.

     

    That's why I'm still on 10.6.4 like many other people I know who work professionally

     

    //You can not install an earlier version of OS X than what originally came on your computer.  Even if you did, it could cause major headaches: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2186

     

    So we are forced to Downgrade to Lion? For what reason I'm forced to use a slower OS? (I'm actually asking this to Apple) I mean with Pro Tools I don't need to be able to send stuff to iCloud then why should I lose performances because the OS has to do this extra and totally not needed work?

     

    //Most people in this day and age use the internet on their computers and have no problems that you speak of.

     

    All people who use a computer in an Audio or Video or Design/Graphic studio I know or I've heard of, don't use internet by any means, they have another computer connected to the internet to send their work to their clients.

     

    If you use it for games, working on the net, storing your pictures, videos, music, and stuff like that, you don't know what I'm talking about, because it is totally fine to use internet, but for Pro apps not. By any means.

     

    Also, and most importantly, how do you guarantee to your clients that their Intellectual Property will not be violated if their content is sent to another computer (server) own by people you do not know (Apple) who will not be responsible if a your client idea get stolen by some other one? (You know, also, other then Apple, other people can find a way to deviate the flux of data from your computer to iCloud and send it to their computer)

     

    //In # 3 you already stated you use one without the internet.

     

    Oh yeah, but I have a Mac Pro First Gen and I've downgraded to 10.6.4 because works much better, faster, reliable, without hassle of any kind compared to 10.6.6 10.6.7 10.6.8 (I've tried)

     

    So I was asking how it is with Lion, considering I need to update my computers and new computers come with Lion

  • 3. Re: Staying with Apple or back to PC? iCloud, App Store and so on
    shldr2thewheel Level 7 Level 7 (25,845 points)

    allen_gibberish wrote:

     

    So I was asking how it is with Lion, considering I need to update my computers and new computers come with Lion

     

    Ok so #1 and #2 have been answered, but what do you mean "how is what with Lion"? I  (FYI, the quote button is to the right of )

  • 4. Re: Staying with Apple or back to PC? iCloud, App Store and so on
    BGreg Level 6 Level 6 (17,500 points)

    I am runing 10.7.3. While iCloud, the app store and other functions are embedded in the operating system, you don't have to use them.  However, Apple is moving to the App store as a vehicle to distribute software. So, for example, if you wanted to upgrade to Mountain Lion later this year, that can only be done, we're told, through the App Store. That aside, you don't need to use it. Likewise for iCloud, you don't need to use it. I'm not planning on using iCloud, haven't signed up for it, it's only an icon on the system.

     

    With Lion, you need 4GB minimum of memory, not the 2GB required to turn it's lights on. Lion no longer runs any PowerPC code as it doesn't come with the Rosetta emulator. I have run it without wi-fi turned on, not connected to the internet, and don't recall any messages prompting me to connect. Oh, if I clicked on system help, it wanted to connect to the internet.

     

    If you're dead set against Lion and want to upgrade, either buy a refurbished unit from Apple with Snow Leopard (I just checked iMacs, and they are available) or find an Apple retailer that still has NOS system with Snow Leopard installed. Buying a refurbished unit sooner, rather than later, will increase the odds that you can get one with Snow Leopard. Refurbished units carry a new Apple warranty, and you can purchase AppleCare if you choose to extend the warranty coverage.

     

    And the quote function is just above where you type your replay, to the right of the smiley face, with the quote mark.

  • 5. Re: Staying with Apple or back to PC? iCloud, App Store and so on
    allen_gibberish Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    shldr2thewheel wrote:

     

    allen_gibberish wrote:

     

    So I was asking how it is with Lion, considering I need to update my computers and new computers come with Lion

     

    Ok so #1 and #2 have been answered, but what do you mean "how is what with Lion"? I  (FYI, the quote button is to the right of )

    I was asking how is it using Lion without internet, because I know with 10.6.4 is ok, but considering all these upgrades that are based on internet services, functions that requires internet, I don't want to get every five minutes a message like "you should connect to the internet" or the simple "iTunes cannot connect to the iTunes Store" I'm getting now in 10.6.4 after I've upgraded to iTunes 10.5.2 (I haven't found any way to remove this alert and considering I open and close iTunes an hundred or more times a day... it is quite Annoying)

  • 6. Re: Staying with Apple or back to PC? iCloud, App Store and so on
    allen_gibberish Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    BGreg wrote:

     

    I am runing 10.7.3. While iCloud, the app store and other functions are embedded in the operating system, you don't have to use them.

     

    //Ok, but considering I'm suspecting Wi-Fi works even when it is disabled, and I say that because I've measured the electro magnetic field of a computer with Wi-Fi, turned it off and nothing changed, then I measured the magnetic field of a computer without Wi-Fi and it was much lower.

     

    I need to be sure the Intellectual Property will not be accessed, nor trasmitted, in any way to any one.

     

    Otherwise if some song, track, ideas, of my clients get stolen, I can be denounced to authorities because I'm the responsible of that content when it is in my possession.

     

     

    However, Apple is moving to the App store as a vehicle to distribute software. So, for example, if you wanted to upgrade to Mountain Lion later this year, that can only be done, we're told, through the App Store. That aside, you don't need to use it. Likewise for iCloud, you don't need to use it. I'm not planning on using iCloud, haven't signed up for it, it's only an icon on the system.

     

    //In fact I was already planning to stick with the DVD included with the computer and then buy Mountain Lion DVD from someone who was selling it used in ebay


    I have run it without wi-fi turned on, not connected to the internet, and don't recall any messages prompting me to connect. Oh, if I clicked on system help, it wanted to connect to the internet.

     

    // I have a Mac with Wi-Fi (turned off) and I don't get these messages, but then I have a Mac without Wi Fi and I get these messages, that support my theory that Wi-Fi actually works even when it is disabled

     

    BTW Thanks for the informations

     

    p.s. I found the quote but not the way to close it like with [/quote]

  • 7. Re: Staying with Apple or back to PC? iCloud, App Store and so on
    Paul_31 Level 6 Level 6 (12,780 points)

    Interesting posts - is your user name a clue

     

    Whether you use a Mac or a PC you will likely be confronted with the same issues, except that on a PC you will potentially have viruses to add to your list of worries.

     

    On a Mac you don't have to use the App Store or iCloud - just ignore them. You don't have to use the internet - don't turn on wifi or plug in an ethernet cable. In my experience, having to use a computer without an internet connection is a distinct disadvantage.

     

    The behaviour of your Mac as you describe it - slowdowns/automatic software updates (you can turn it off) causing problems - doesn't match my experience on any of the Macs I own, use or support.

  • 8. Re: Staying with Apple or back to PC? iCloud, App Store and so on
    b j t Level 4 Level 4 (3,670 points)

    Paul_31 wrote:

     

    Interesting posts - is your user name a clue

     

    I think it must be, the OP's been on about it long enough.

  • 9. Re: Staying with Apple or back to PC? iCloud, App Store and so on
    allen_gibberish Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Paul_31 wrote:

     

    Interesting posts - is your user name a clue

     

    // A clue for what? It is a sort of Woody Allen tribute..

     

    Whether you use a Mac or a PC you will likely be confronted with the same issues, except that on a PC you will potentially have viruses to add to your list of worries.

     

    //Actually I can build a PC without Wi-Fi card on it.

     

    On a Mac you don't have to use the App Store or iCloud - just ignore them. You don't have to use the internet - don't turn on wifi or plug in an ethernet cable.

     

    //Read my previous post

     

    In my experience, having to use a computer without an internet connection is a distinct disadvantage.

     

    //Yes, if you need internet or service related to internet, or to be on the net. If you have another computer for all the internet related things, then it is a big disadvantage having it.

     

    The behaviour of your Mac as you describe it - slowdowns/automatic software updates (you can turn it off) causing problems - doesn't match my experience on any of the Macs I own, use or support.

     

    //Well not only software updates (which are always turned off in my mac connected to the internet) but internet in general slowes down. Then obviously depends to for what you use your mac and how.

     

    If you pay me the travel and hotel I come to your house and I'll show you how it slowes down and how much.

     

    If you use software updates you'll get permission errors, which apple says they can be ignored, but I actually tested a system without these permission errors (because I did the updates manually) and a system updated with the utility "apple software updates" and there is no competition. Oh.. for manual update I mean I manually download one update at time and I install them one at time, not that I run manually the Apple Update utility.

     

     

  • 10. Re: Staying with Apple or back to PC? iCloud, App Store and so on
    allen_gibberish Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Oh, just to say, it is required by Avid to not use the Apple Update utility (for example), together with many other things which if you don't respect, the do not guaranty (and support) their software behaviour

  • 11. Re: Staying with Apple or back to PC? iCloud, App Store and so on
    b j t Level 4 Level 4 (3,670 points)

    allen_gibberish wrote:

     

    Oh, just to say, it is required by Avid to not use the Apple Update utility (for example), together with many other things which if you don't respect, the do not guaranty (and support) their software behaviour

    Who OR what IS Avid ??

  • 12. Re: Staying with Apple or back to PC? iCloud, App Store and so on
    allen_gibberish Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Is the company that develop the world standard Audio and Video software look at www.avid.com to know about it (if you are interested).

  • 13. Re: Staying with Apple or back to PC? iCloud, App Store and so on
    Paul_31 Level 6 Level 6 (12,780 points)

    I don't think you're going to get too much helpful advice here as your Mac-user experience seems to differ from most users, so far as I can see.

    Having put my toe in the water of this thread I've decided not to take swim.

    Good luck with whatever you decide is best for you.

  • 14. Re: Staying with Apple or back to PC? iCloud, App Store and so on
    allen_gibberish Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Well, I've no problem with it

     

    I've opened this thread for who is interested, who share the same concerns

    If you are not, it is really not a problem

     

    I've no problem with who like to be always connected, I respect them, but I'd like to have from Apple the same respect for people who want to be able to use their computer actually disconnected and have another one only for internet

     

    And I have the feel that the direction is the opposite, I don't want to be unable to comfortably use my Macs unplugged from the net nor to be constricted to be plugged