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Illogical Apple ID Password Rules

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Twistan Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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Mar 7, 2012 1:42 AM



I am pulling my hair out about Apple's illogical way of thinking.

I tried for minutes to create a password for a new Apple ID, of course the session had timed out a couple of times   until I realized that a "capital letter" does not qualify as a "letter".

I may add that I have a Ph.D in physics and that I thought that I knew what logical thinking was.





are not accepted.

It has to be



I would have expected that the following logics apply:


1. Assumption:

The main set is "letters" which contains two sub-sets, "upper case letters" and "lower case letters".


2. Conclusion:

Because "upper case letters" are members of the set "letters", "upper case letters" are "letters".


Obviously, the Apple "kids" are not making the same assumption.


Am I missing the point ?





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  • léonie Level 8 Level 8 (46,725 points)
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    Mar 8, 2012 12:49 PM (in response to Twistan)

    Hello Twistan,

    interesting, my password violates the rules - no capital letter - but it has been accepted.




  • léonie Level 8 Level 8 (46,725 points)
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    Mar 8, 2012 2:36 PM (in response to Twistan)

    (moin, moin)

    Hummel Hummel aus Hamburg!


    Seems like just the opposite of the rules apply - "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't".




  • HACKINT0SH Level 5 Level 5 (5,750 points)
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    Mar 8, 2012 10:29 PM (in response to léonie)

    I've been getting a lot of complaints about apple's silly rules in configuring a password. So you're not the only one Twistan. I think Apple went over-board on their security, but then again, Apple is the most paranoid company out there.

  • shldr2thewheel Level 7 Level 7 (25,410 points)
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    Mar 8, 2012 11:13 PM (in response to HACKINT0SH)

    HACKINT0SH wrote:


    I've been getting a lot of complaints about apple's silly rules in configuring a password.


    From who?

  • Miss Dee Calculating status...
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    Mar 10, 2012 9:53 AM (in response to Twistan)

    Well, of course, Twisten, what did you expect. This is the New World Order. Nothing makes sense. It doesn't have to. I have a MacBook Pro with Lion. After using a computer for 30 years, I feel the magic is gone because nothing makes sense, none of the commands, none of the video, nada.

  • stevejobsfan0123 Level 7 Level 7 (30,505 points)
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    Mar 10, 2012 9:59 AM (in response to Twistan)

    It's quite logical, actually. You can't please everyone. If Apple removes some of these rules, you'll get a myriad of unhappy customers complaining that it is not secure enough. If Apple put the rules back, then people would complain that the rules are too strict.


    I'm not saying that you're whining or complaining, I'm just trying to say that Apple can't do anything without upsetting someone, and I'm sorry their current rules aren't working out for you.

  • Ralph Landry1 Level 7 Level 7 (29,020 points)
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    Mar 10, 2012 10:23 AM (in response to Twistan)

    What Apple has done is moved closer to what is considered a "strong" password as defined by NSA.  A strong password is 8-12 characters long, no ditionary look-up words, no consecutive numbers or repeated letters, at least one capitol and one lower case letter, at least one number and at least one special character (the shift-numeral characgters).


    See: Best Practices for Keeping Your Home Network Secure, April 2011, NSA Creative Imaging - 48039.

  • Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (66,880 points)
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    Mar 10, 2012 2:09 PM (in response to Twistan)



    At first I thought your examples highlighted a need for the Uppercase (Capital) Letter had to be second.


    Then I remembered my own password has two Capital letters and one of them is the first character.


    The rules you post do make it clear there is a distinction between Letters and Capital Letters

    This then Implies that there should be two "Letter" characters of which there should be one of each "Upper" and "Lower" cases to use your assumption.


    The Rules also do not say for names and iCloud names that you may want to use in iChat or the Messages Beta have to be 16 characters or less to work with the AIM servers or that those passwords cannot have some characters that are not Letters (both sorts) or Numbers.



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