14 Replies Latest reply: Mar 14, 2012 5:25 PM by TheSmokeMonster
Doug Stringham Level 3 Level 3 (685 points)

I realize that most people use Messages for simple messaging back and forth between machines and iOS devices.

 

However, we use iChat (Messages) in-house in our studio to quickly send other animators/designers elements. Many times these files are as large as 300-400GB in size. The problem that happens with Messages is that it starts becoming extremely laggy as it tries to keep chat/transfer history. It's particularly bad when you fire up Messages after a reboot or the like, and it can take upwards of 10-15 minutes for it to even become available as it sorts out the chat h


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  • 1. Re: Messages beta: Need to be able to turn off chat logging
    Pmlgoten Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    i do believe that messages has a limit to what it can send(I could be wrong), i forgot how much though, and its also only in a beta stage right now, so it might get better when mac os x mountian lion comes out this summer. just keep in mind this was desinged to send messages between macs and ios devices, yea i know that ichat is still apart of it, but ios devices cant store large files. so they may have done something to it to limit that amount (not so much does say unlimited on the page about it) or size of files you send.

  • 2. Re: Messages beta: Need to be able to turn off chat logging
    Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (67,505 points)

    Hi Doug,

     

    I am not seeing this with AIM or Jabber Logins

    The default is now that All Chats are Saved ( ~/Documents/iChats as default) and it is Saving iMessages as well.

     

    As  Consequence I am seeing all my "history" with some people that goes back to 2004 but only when they IM me in my AIM Buddy list.

    As far as I can test the same happens when I use my GoogleTalk ID (although the "history" here is much smaller)

     

    On the other hand it sounds like you are using the iMessage side and people do say the syncing on this takes forever (only like a speeded up chat rather than an Instant download).

    The size your are sending seems to preclude it from being an iOS 5 device.

     

    Although for most things I have an AIM name I do have my iCloud ID set up for AIM as well as iMessages.

    I am still displaying my Buddy Lists separately as I did in iChat.

     

     

     

     


    9:05 PM      Monday; March 12, 2012


    Please, if posting Logs, do not post any Log info after the line "Binary Images for iChat"

     

      iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Lion 10.7.3)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),

    "Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

  • 3. Re: Messages beta: Need to be able to turn off chat logging
    Doug Stringham Level 3 Level 3 (685 points)

    Actually... we're using Bonjour for in-house communication and rapid file deployment. So it's saving all of the messages and every single file that has been transferred inside of the ~/Documents/iChats on our workstations. So... a couple of times a day we have to quit Messages, go to the iChats folder and delete all of the chat communications, then restart Messages. It's quite annoying. They definitely need the option to disable chat logging. It would be nice if you could enable/disable it for various types of chats (iMessage, AIM, GTalk, Bonjour, etc.)

     

     

    Thanks!

    Doug

  • 4. Re: Messages beta: Need to be able to turn off chat logging
    Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (67,505 points)

    HI,

     

    Also go to ~/Library/Messages

    This holds those Chats that have had pics in them  (I have not sent files yet so I don't know if they appear as well)  or rather it hold the pics with references to the Chats they came from.

     

    I am still not sure why Bonjour which is Locally Stored and not a synced iMessage is taking so long to show you the history  (Actually I would have to "transfer" the whole Hard Drive on one of my other computers to match what you are sending).

     

    I will test Snow Leopard/iChat 5 to Messages over Bonjour when the MacBook Pro has finished Updating Safari.

     


    9:33 PM      Monday; March 12, 2012


    Please, if posting Logs, do not post any Log info after the line "Binary Images for iChat"

     

      iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Lion 10.7.3)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),

    "Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

  • 5. Re: Messages beta: Need to be able to turn off chat logging
    Doug Stringham Level 3 Level 3 (685 points)

    I checked my ~/Library/Messages and it had about 800KB in database files... 3 files total.

  • 6. Re: Messages beta: Need to be able to turn off chat logging
    Doug Stringham Level 3 Level 3 (685 points)

    It's possible that it's not storing in the files in the iChat logs... but it could simply be referencing the original media files that were transferred via chat. And, it's very likely that it simply is revalidates the files for display in the chat. As iChat wants to show the media in chat, therefore it goes through and revalidates the media. Which when you've sent someone a 120GB file, it takes a loooooooong time.

  • 7. Re: Messages beta: Need to be able to turn off chat logging
    Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (67,505 points)

    HI,

     

    At present I am having trouble getting my Lion computer to be seen properly over Bonjour to the Snow Leopard one.

     

    On the Lion computer the MacBook Pro (Show) shows up but the connection process fails.

    Messages also shows it as being On line and appears to send messages.

    However the MacBook Pro does not show the Lion computer as being available and the iChat 5 also shows nothing On line for Bonjour.

     

    I get a similar response I turn On iChat on my Leopard computer  (this and the Snow Leopard one can "see" each other properly)

     

    Currently I am unable to test this.

     

    As to your Post.

    It seems Messages is storing Chats Locally ~/Documents/iChats

    For some reason this ~/Library/Messages has only references to thinsg that have been sent in a chat (I have only seen Pics but I have only sent Pics)

    The whole chat is not there just  listing of it's number and the pics themselves.

     

     


    7:10 PM      Tuesday; March 13, 2012


    Please, if posting Logs, do not post any Log info after the line "Binary Images for iChat"

     

      iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Lion 10.7.3)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),

    "Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

     

    Message was edited by: Ralph Johns (UK)

  • 8. Re: Messages beta: Need to be able to turn off chat logging
    Doug Stringham Level 3 Level 3 (685 points)

    Hmmm... not sure what's up with that. Right now we are running a mixed environment of Lion (10.7.3) and Snow Leopard (10.6.8). We've not had issues with the Messages/iChat being unable to communicate between the two operating systems.

     

     

    Looking at ~/Library/Messages I see a total of three files (we send pics back and forth as well), but no pictures or any other media.

     

    The only three files I see in this folder are:

     

    chat.db 205KB

    chat.db-shm 33KB

    chat.db-wal 2.3MB

  • 9. Re: Messages beta: Need to be able to turn off chat logging
    Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (67,505 points)

    HI,

     

    I see this at present.

    Messages
    Uploaded with Skitch!

     

    The Size is the same  for all parts.

    The dates are a little strange as they seem to be much later than the date of the chat.

    I can see no logic to the 2 digit numbers such as the 67 I have open and the  07 within that.

     

    None of these for me are Bonjour Chats at the moment.

     


    8:39 PM      Tuesday; March 13, 2012


    Please, if posting Logs, do not post any Log info after the line "Binary Images for iChat"

     

      iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Lion 10.7.3)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),

    "Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

  • 10. Re: Messages beta: Need to be able to turn off chat logging
    TheSmokeMonster Level 4 Level 4 (3,240 points)

    If this is intranet computing, then you should be using airdrop or setup file sharing on your macs instead of messages. This way, all your files will be organized for the next person to view.

     

    I hope this leads you on the right path.

     

    -MIB

  • 11. Re: Messages beta: Need to be able to turn off chat logging
    Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (67,505 points)

    HI,

     

    Yes you can File Share via other methods.

     

    That is not to say that Bonjour Chatting/File transfers are not an option. They should also work.

     

    In a large campus Bonjour in iChat/Messages can be an effective way to Share Files.

     


    9:04 PM      Wednesday; March 14, 2012


    Please, if posting Logs, do not post any Log info after the line "Binary Images for iChat"

     

      iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Lion 10.7.3)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),

    "Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

  • 12. Re: Messages beta: Need to be able to turn off chat logging
    TheSmokeMonster Level 4 Level 4 (3,240 points)

    Agreed Ralph,

     

    I think it should just have a "load previous messages" and it should load more in order of date and segment them by days.

     

    people need to submit feedback to get this to functionally change though.

     

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

     

    -MIB

  • 13. Re: Messages beta: Need to be able to turn off chat logging
    Doug Stringham Level 3 Level 3 (685 points)

    TheSmokeMonster wrote:

     

    If this is intranet computing, then you should be using airdrop or setup file sharing on your macs instead of messages. This way, all your files will be organized for the next person to view.

     

    I hope this leads you on the right path.

     

    -MIB

     

     

    We do use File Sharing extensively. Not all machines in-house are running Lion for various technical reasons. And Bonjour is an effective way to send someone a file rapidly when needed. It works particularly well with clients who we do not want having access to traditional File Sharing on the network, but still need to send/receive files.

  • 14. Re: Messages beta: Need to be able to turn off chat logging
    TheSmokeMonster Level 4 Level 4 (3,240 points)

    I realize that this is the way things work in your office, however, I'm trying to give you work arounds that accomplish the same thing.

     

    if you are a company that heavely relies on sending files to clients then I might setup a server where they can access specific directories for their projects.They and you access those areas via FTP.

     

    I am aware this doesn't directly address your issue but there is no direct solution as of now.

     

    -MIB