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Wifi Constantly Dropping in Lion

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  • gphonei Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 12, 2012 3:23 PM (in response to Big Red Dog)

    Big Red Dog wrote:

     

    WBOWLES

     

         Skip the cable ... all 40 feet of it.  It will make no difference. My Mac Pro is only 10 feet from my router and connected with Internet-hardwired (RJ-45 terminated) cable.

         It suffers from the same problem as every Lion-based Mac, including my WiFi connected MacBook.

         I actually disconnected the cable to see if the Mac Pro would perform any better with WiFi.  NOPE!  Problem persisted.

    Did you turn you WIFI hardware off?  Depending on priorities of the interfaces, it still may have just been using WIFI even with the ethernet connected.

  • wbowles Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 12, 2012 3:28 PM (in response to gphonei)

    I haven't wired it yet. I think I'll just have to live with the turning the wi-fi off and and on every now and again until they find a fix, if they ever do. Aren't they running out of big cats? Maybe the next 'upgrade' will be called Moggy or maybe Felix?

  • William Kucharski Level 6 Level 6 (14,400 points)
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    Mar 12, 2012 9:24 PM (in response to wbowles)

    wbowles wrote:

     

    I haven't wired it yet. I think I'll just have to live with the turning the wi-fi off and and on every now and again until they find a fix, if they ever do. Aren't they running out of big cats? Maybe the next 'upgrade' will be called Moggy or maybe Felix?

     

    Mountain Lion.

  • g-dude Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 15, 2012 8:57 PM (in response to wbowles)

    My early 2011 macbook Pro just started having the wifi dropping problem after a recent EFI Firmware update.

  • saltatempo Calculating status...
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    Mar 16, 2012 12:30 AM (in response to lhale)

    FIX FOR WIF DROPS:

     

    Guys i had this problem in both iMac (mid 2009) and Macbook air (2011) i've just tried all the solution and now i found the only that REALLY WORKS!

     

    it's easy just follow this:

     

    http://rys.pixeltards.com/2011/09/04/osx-lion-wifi.html

     

    THIS JUST WORK

     

    You have to reinstall Snow leopard wifi driver into Lion.

    It worked on my iMac and Macbook air.

    No more drops.

     

    bye

  • WSR Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)
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    Mar 16, 2012 3:16 AM (in response to saltatempo)

    Presumably both your Macs have Atheros chipsets? .... Mine doesn't. It's a Broadcom on a late 2011 MB Pro...... I guess there may be a similar solution for these chipsets?

  • saltatempo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 16, 2012 9:10 AM (in response to WSR)

    I have Atheros on my iMac and Broadcom BCM43xx on my macbook air and it work well on both!

  • al dente 2008 Calculating status...
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    Mar 18, 2012 2:16 PM (in response to wifiguru)

    Hi everyone, I would like to share my solution to a similar problem on the MBA I recently bought.  Before I started to have the wifi dropping constantly, the wifi access was simply stable.

     

    First, I used the airportd debug logger as mentioned by wifiguru.  After rambling in my memory lanes for the past couple of hours, I noticed I disabled 'the password prompt required after sleep or screen saver begins' and screen saver.  So I examined what the Mac said whilst checking event timestamps against my actions.

     

    The following airportd debug is from a situation where I had the password prompt disabled:

     

    Sun Mar 18 16:08:08.47  <configd[18]> SleepAcknowledgementCheck: Checking sleep readiness

    Sun Mar 18 16:08:08.47  <configd[18]> _wowEnabled: WoW is active on en0

    Sun Mar 18 16:08:08.47  <configd[18]> _apAppleWoWCapable: AP on en0 does not support Apple sleep notifications

    Sun Mar 18 16:08:08.47  <configd[18]> wowExchangeRequiredForNode: WoW exchange not required for en0

    Sun Mar 18 16:08:08.47  <configd[18]> _acknowledgeSleepEvent: Acknowledging sleep event

    Sun Mar 18 16:11:34.38  <kernel> en0: link down event, informing supplicant.

     

    en0 is the wireless interface on my MBA in this.  MBA went to sleep mode at 16:08:08, with no password lock, and I woke him up at 16:11:34.  Alas, the link is down... I have no idea of what the function name WoW stands for, but the event log text seems to suggest the Access Point on this interface does not suppoet Apple Sleep Notification feature.

     

    Accordingly, my focus shifted to console logs (available from Applications>Utilities) to see if there might be something helpful.

     

    18/03/2012 16:08:10.000 kernel: LE is supported - Disable LE meta event

    18/03/2012 16:11:34.000 kernel: Wake reason: EHC1

    18/03/2012 16:11:34.000 kernel: Previous Sleep Cause: 5

    18/03/2012 16:11:34.000 kernel: The USB device HubDevice (Port 1 of Hub at 0xfd000000) may have caused a wake by issuing a remote wakeup (2)

    18/03/2012 16:11:34.000 kernel: wlEvent: en0 en0 Link DOWN

    18/03/2012 16:11:34.000 kernel: AirPort: Link Down on en0. Reason 4 (Disassociated due to inactivity).

    18/03/2012 16:11:34.000 kernel: en0: link down event, informing supplicant.

     

    There you go, for some reason, the wifi could not stay available if the computer went into sleep mode.  In my situation, I was forced to select the netowork from the list every time the MBA woke up so that it would be on the wifi network.

     

    So the solution is to turn on the screen saver, which has done a trick!

     

    This way, I see airportd debug keep emitting logs from the link quality check event, indicating that there is no link  interruption.

     

    Sun Mar 18 16:57:39.457 <configd[18]> __AirPortOpportunisticRoamTriggerRSSI: <en0> Opportunistic Roam : Current RSSI <-50>, Last Opp Roam RSSI <-42>

    Sun Mar 18 16:57:45.459 <configd[18]> _bsd_80211_event_callback: LINK_QUALITY (en0)

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    :

     

    Lastly, as many others, I am one of a multitude of computer users who want computers that work to get jobs done.  Although I do not mind debugging, this does not serve the primary purpose of using a computer.  I do hope Apple address user experience from this angle, not just its unrivalled aesthetic appeal.

     

    Thank you wifiguru for your nice pointer.

  • Dvarela Calculating status...
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    Mar 18, 2012 2:49 PM (in response to lhale)

    Sorry, but I paid a lot of money for my MacBookPro and started having the wifi dropping problem after of install and paid for a new version......of Lion...what happens when they try to sell us Mountain...sorry but Apple now is more similiar to Microsoft...bugs  ...and bugs....and what happens with the company...only silence...

     

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  • WSR Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)
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    Mar 18, 2012 3:10 PM (in response to Dvarela)

    At least someone here agrees with me!

  • hosewater2 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 18, 2012 3:21 PM (in response to lhale)

    I just did a software update on a brand new 21.5" iMac, updated iTunes, Safari, etc. as well as the RAW compatibility upgrade. Now having trouble with wifi dropping intermittently, it can only see my Airport Extreme if I do the look for networks feature. Then it connects without difficulty and works, until it drops the signal again.

     

    This is a stock new iMac, I am a new Mac user and will not be be doing any serious under-the-hood work to fix this problem.

  • Cambo III Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 19, 2012 10:27 AM (in response to alearesi)

    Yeah, this is officially ridiculous now...mine's still buggy, and takes a good 15 seconds to connect after waking from sleep...my $500.00 iPad? Nanoseconds, and perfectly reliable even 1/2 block from the house. My iMac is 10' from the Apple wireless Wi-Fi station... :-(

     

    Not impressed. Maybe I'll try tech support again....

     

    This is the most persistent problem Apple has had since I joined them in about 1999.

     

    Cameron

  • sgt_harris Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 19, 2012 12:50 PM (in response to lhale)

    I'm also suffering from this, with an 11" MBA. 10.7.3 did nothing for me, neither did re-installing Lion myself, or leaving my computer at the Apple store for them to investigate (they also tried reinstalling Lion, said it was fixed, and as soon as I got home I saw it wasn't). Definitely a problem with Lion, because my 2007 17" MBP running Snow Leopard works fine.

     

    Seeing that there are at least a few hundred thousand views of this issue in the Apple Support forums (across multiple threads, but some single threads like this have that many views) this makes me think that this is on the scale of the iPhone antenna issue, but Apple just hasn't acknowledged this yet (the Genuises even said that there was not all that much they could do if this chronic problem doesn't go away because it's not an "official" Apple issue).

     

    So how was it that the antenna problem finally got big in the media, forcing Apple to address it? Maybe if a few people in this support community have tech journalist friends, they can get this issue more prominently featured. $100B in the bank, I'd expect Apple would think that fixing this is important. Sad to see that the company's getting like Microsoft...keeping to locked-in release schedules and releasing products even if they aren't yet good enough (case in point, Mountain Lion!).

     

    With the move to wireless products, this problem is even worse, because we're stuck unless we buy an ethernet to USB converter and happen to be in a place with an etherenet jack.

  • Carlo TD Level 3 Level 3 (550 points)
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    Mar 19, 2012 1:06 PM (in response to sgt_harris)

    So what your saying, is newer technology is not completely compatible with technology that was used five years ago. It's possible. Or maybe technology that is from five years ago is not completely compatibible with newer technology. It's possible.

    sgt_harris wrote:

     

    I'm also suffering from this, with an 11" MBA. 10.7.3 did nothing for me, neither did re-installing Lion myself, or leaving my computer at the Apple store for them to investigate (they also tried reinstalling Lion, said it was fixed, and as soon as I got home I saw it wasn't). Definitely a problem with Lion, because my 2007 17" MBP running Snow Leopard works fine.

     

    Seeing that there are at least a few hundred thousand views of this issue in the Apple Support forums (across multiple threads, but some single threads like this have that many views) this makes me think that this is on the scale of the iPhone antenna issue, but Apple just hasn't acknowledged this yet (the Genuises even said that there was not all that much they could do if this chronic problem doesn't go away because it's not an "official" Apple issue).

     

    So how was it that the antenna problem finally got big in the media, forcing Apple to address it? Maybe if a few people in this support community have tech journalist friends, they can get this issue more prominently featured. $100B in the bank, I'd expect Apple would think that fixing this is important. Sad to see that the company's getting like Microsoft...keeping to locked-in release schedules and releasing products even if they aren't yet good enough (case in point, Mountain Lion!).

     

    With the move to wireless products, this problem is even worse, because we're stuck unless we buy an ethernet to USB converter and happen to be in a place with an etherenet jack.

     

    Message was edited by: Carlo TD

  • WSR Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)
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    Mar 19, 2012 1:15 PM (in response to Carlo TD)

    Carlo TD wrote:

     

    So what your saying, is newer technology is not completely compatible with technology that was used five years ago. It's possible. Or maybe technology that is from five years ago is not completely compatibible with newer technology. It's possible.

     

    Well that was definitely my findings..... as detailed a few pages earlier in this thread.

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