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  • 30. Re: "Rosetta" applications suddenly stopped working
    NuLynx Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    X423424X wrote:

     

    Ahh, so you know how to do that, good.  I didn't want to explain about opening bundles which is why I was giving instructions on using app/Contents/MacOS pathnames.

     

    Yup, like I said early on, I've been working with Graphic Arts and Macs for the last 20 years or more. "Back in the day" I used to be able to make the old OS9 platform do about anything I wanted. I could crawl in there and rip it apart like a monkey on a cupcake. I remember when I first learned about the package contents and thought "VERY interesting...it's more like a folder of components disguised to look like an application."

     

    I have to admit, I wasn't all that happy when Apple switched to OSX at first. Don't get me wrong, the platform is much, MUCH more stable, and the interface was more eye-catching, but I didn't like the fact that they took away my ability to crawl under the hood and change things around a bit. I think I parted ways with computer programming somewhere around the days of FORTRAN...(which would be the mid 80's for you that weren't born yet.) 

     

    But, that's neither here nor there. Does the situation shed any light on anything? When terminal (finally) launched Smasher 1, and it still crashed from the Finder, I started to wonder if it was more of a Finder issue. But, that doesn't explain why other apps failed to launch in Terminal. They just hung and the disc drive spun like it was trying...but nothing happened.

     

    When you brought up CFM files over the weekend, that started to make sense, but still didn't help me narrow anything down.

     

    Like I said earlier today, I migrated everything to another account, and it appears to be working. When people came in and asked if I had my computer fixed, I said "Yeah..sort of. I have a workaround to it, and everything with my new user seems to be working fine."

     

    But, two of my coworkers said "You know you won't be satisfied until you figure it out. It will haunt you until you do."

     

    And...they're right. It's been a long 86 hours. 

     

    Brad

  • 31. Re: "Rosetta" applications suddenly stopped working
    X423424X Level 6 Level 6 (14,190 points)

    This thread has been going on long enough I completely forgot about the "works in other accounts" fact.  But I cannot (won't) believe the apps you been sampling here, that are not executable bundles are executable even in another account. 

     

    You can always check if they are app bundles by seeing if they have the usual executable bundle contents (at least info.plist and Contents/MacOS).  For those that do, but still crash, then I would assume it is a preference (plist) file associated with those respective apps. 

     

    I don't remember if this was asked, but do have any login items or ~/Library/LaunchAgents?  Maybe there's some interaction with one of those (or have you tried a safe boot already and it still failed, in wich case, it's back to plist suspects).

  • 32. Re: "Rosetta" applications suddenly stopped working
    PlatypusRex Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I spent a number of hours on the phone with Apple recently.

     

    I waited to apply the Snow Leopard security update until the revised version appeared. All was well for a few weeks, then suddenly no PPC application would open.

     

    They will all open in a new test user account.

     

    The applications in question do have executable bundles. From staring at all the applications on the main drive in System Profiler and ArchDetect, AppleWorks seemed to be the only one with problematic content.

     

    Eliminating the entire user library on the main account didn't cause a single PPC application to open.

     

    A number of other steps suggested here, such as booting in safe mode, made no difference either.

     

    All of this generated a lot of logs for review and perhaps there will be a solution.

  • 33. Re: "Rosetta" applications suddenly stopped working
    NuLynx Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    X423424X wrote:

     

    This thread has been going on long enough I completely forgot about the "works in other accounts" fact.  But I cannot (won't) believe the apps you been sampling here, that are not executable bundles are executable even in another account. 

     

     

    Not sure what to tell you, but they do work. We use them every day. In fact, the DiscCatalog is used by every person in our art department, and all except one of us are using Snow Leopard. Here's me using it with my new user, even as I'm typing this reply.

    Screen shot 2012-03-27 at 9.30.48 AM.jpg

     

     

    I don't remember if this was asked, but do have any login items or ~/Library/LaunchAgents?  Maybe there's some interaction with one of those (or have you tried a safe boot already and it still failed, in wich case, it's back to plist suspects).

     

    I disabled my third part login items on Friday trying to troubleshoot. I also did 4 safe boots for various reasons, but nothing changed.

     

    So far, I've found 23 apps that won't launch. Five of them are just like DiscCatalog. No packaged contents.

     

    And, so far, I'm still stumped.

     

    Brad

  • 34. Re: "Rosetta" applications suddenly stopped working
    X423424X Level 6 Level 6 (14,190 points)

    In fact, the DiscCatalog is used by every person in our art department, and all except one of us are using Snow Leopard.

     

    Can you compress and upload DiscCatalog to one of the media sharing sites like mediafire, rapidshare, pick your favorite?  I would like to see why it would execute.

  • 35. Re: "Rosetta" applications suddenly stopped working
    Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,995 points)

    Have you tried my suggestion of moving (at least temporarily) most of Apple's preference files out of your account yet?

  • 36. Re: "Rosetta" applications suddenly stopped working
    NuLynx Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Yup. I moved most ALL of the preferences out...except for a few listed earlier. No luck.

    Now, I do know there are a few invisible files, in the Prefs folder, but don't know what most of them are. I did try to remove the invisible "global preferences" .plist...

     

    Didn't change anything.

  • 37. Re: "Rosetta" applications suddenly stopped working
    NuLynx Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hey X423424X,

     

    https://rapidshare.com/files/3415711831/DiskCatalog_Mac.sit

     

    Original .sit file from 2003.

  • 38. Re: "Rosetta" applications suddenly stopped working
    Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,995 points)

    Hmm, that seems to at least show the preferences aren't the issue. Must be something to do with your account though since a test account works.

     

    It doesn't happen very often, but an account itself can get damaged. I had that happen once, and the only fix was to copy the entire contents of my account to a flash drive, create a new account, login to that, and then copy everything back in. That included all preference files and everything else. There were no default files left from the new account, and yet my new account then worked.

  • 39. Re: "Rosetta" applications suddenly stopped working
    X423424X Level 6 Level 6 (14,190 points)

    NuLynx wrote:

     

    Hey X423424X,

     

    https://rapidshare.com/files/3415711831/DiskCatalog_Mac.sit

     

    Original .sit file from 2003.

     

    Got it.  Thanks. 

     

    Hmm, it is a PEF executable.  I guess they still work on Snow Leopard after all.  I launched it with no errors (heh, Haxial, I remember them) on my 10.6.5 Snow Leopard.   Note, DiskCatalog creates a file DiskCatalog.stg in the same directory as the app so make sure that you can write to that directory.

     

    So this is an example of one that is not working on your machine in your account?

     

    Just to check something again.  Please do a file command on DiskCatalog in the terminal:

     

    file /path/to/DiskCatalog

     

    You should get a message saying it is a "header for PowerPC PEF executable".

     

    Incidentally, for DiskCatalog at least, no preferences are created for it.  So it cannot be something directly related to that specific app if it isn't working in your account.

  • 40. Re: "Rosetta" applications suddenly stopped working
    NuLynx Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Leopard:~ Panther$ file /Applications/DiscCat/DiskCatalog

    /Applications/DiscCat/DiskCatalog: header for PowerPC PEF executable

    Leopard:~ Panther$

  • 41. Re: "Rosetta" applications suddenly stopped working
    X423424X Level 6 Level 6 (14,190 points)

    Another terminal command line.  What does this report, if anything:

     

    LaunchCFMApp /Applications/DiscCat/DiskCatalog

     

    And if it says it cannot find LaunchCFMApp then do the following (this is one line):

     

    /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Support/LaunchCFMApp /Applications/DiscCat/DiskCatalog

  • 42. Re: "Rosetta" applications suddenly stopped working
    NuLynx Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Will do.

    I'll check it out...but it will have to wait until morning again. I'm home for the evening.

     

    I didn't answer a previous question of yours where you asked if it was an example of one of the apps not working.

    Yes, it's actually the first one I launched Friday morning that tipped me off about something being wrong.

     

    Brad

  • 43. Re: "Rosetta" applications suddenly stopped working
    X423424X Level 6 Level 6 (14,190 points)

    Ok, no hurry.  At the moment I am hard pressed to understand what might be user account specific when launching that CFM app.  I did a fs_usage (file system trace) across a launch of DiskCatalog on my system and don't see it accessing any account data.  I'm hoping that when you use LauncCFMApp directly on your terminal some error message may shed some light on the problem.

     

    A thought crossed my mind that perhaps it is a corrupt cache and I might suggest clearing it if it weren't for the fact that I would think that a cache file hit would have shown up in the fs_usage too.

  • 44. Re: "Rosetta" applications suddenly stopped working
    NuLynx Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Not accessing any account data...that's interesting. But complicates things, too.

     

    I'll run those commands first thing in the a.m.

     

    Not being a unix type person, in layman's terms, it appears that there's "something" acting like a mini firewall, blocking the whole Rosetta (or whatever) thing from working properly. From the way Smasher was acting, I would almost guess it's on the Finder level, since Terminal could launch it. But, since none of the other apps I tried in Terminal launched, I think it goes deeper than that...but I'm just not getting anywhere.

     

    To further confuse things I did a reinstall of the core system on a different drive, and imported my previous users. The original user profile still wouldn't launch the apps, while my new user still worked like normal.

     

    I guess that totally rules out anything on a core system level. It's definitely something in the user profile/folder that's causing the problem.

     

    Not sure that helps much...it sure doesn't shed any light on my end. Except for the fact that there's SOMETHING in the user settings that's causing the problem.

     

    I see there are a few more people chiming in on this thread about suddenly having the same problem. Even if I have to do a complete reinstall from scratch, I hope we can come to the bottom of it just to get an answer out on the boards.

     

    Brad

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