Chris J Witt

Q: Rosetta and Lion - Is there a solution?

I'm considering upgrading to Lion, mostly due to the fact it has drivers for Nvidia's 500 Series, so ATY_Init will be happy with it.

But, one problem... No rosetta, and a lot of the programs I use or test are not universal binary (Primarily Cocoa PPC or Carbon). So that raises the issue.

 

How would I go about getting Rosetta on to Lion? I'm assuming that it wouldn't be as simple as copying some Frameworks and Kexts... Do any solutions exist for this yet, like hacks or mods, or is it impossible? (Or too soon?)

Posted on Jul 21, 2011 2:30 AM

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  • by ChiefZ,

    ChiefZ ChiefZ Feb 7, 2012 8:16 AM in response to firedancing
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    Feb 7, 2012 8:16 AM in response to firedancing

    firedancing you won't have to upgrade to get online; if you wanted to you could go online even on Mac OS 9 with a dial-up modem.

  • by ticzon,

    ticzon ticzon Mar 18, 2012 6:57 AM in response to ChiefZ
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    Mar 18, 2012 6:57 AM in response to ChiefZ

    Looks like we will never get Rosetta on Lion. "Thanks a lot Apple. You just turned your back on Mac users who were with you even when you were almost dead..."

     

    As a business owner (Mac Users since 1991, Shareholder since 1997), I too can not upgrade my office machines due to the need of Rosetta. One of the applications that I rely on is no longer supported (the software company is long gone) and there is no replacement.

     

    I looked and hunted for a replacement, but nothing comes even close.

     

    I feel that most of the people who are positng here (tell us to give up on Rosetta) are new Mac users, and / or not business owners.

     

    I guess we need to get Apple to allow us to run the Mac Client of Snow Leopard in a virtual machine inside Lion (similar to Snow Leopard Server).

     

    I always like upgrading my hardware (I own over 40 macs), but with the lost of Rosetta, I am now stuck...

  • by msmgs0,

    msmgs0 msmgs0 Mar 24, 2012 9:07 AM in response to Chris J Witt
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    Mar 24, 2012 9:07 AM in response to Chris J Witt

    For me, I will CarbonCopy my 10.6 to an external drive to use as a startup drive plus keep

    my old ibook if needed and get on with life.

    (I have updated my PPC apps but I do have Tax programs I may need to use.)

  • by Eric.,

    Eric. Eric. Mar 24, 2012 9:21 AM in response to Chris J Witt
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    Mar 24, 2012 9:21 AM in response to Chris J Witt

    I upgraded the critical (paid) apps in advance of an upgrade to Lion; I only overlooked one.

     

    My MBP shipped with and boots Snow Leopard, and I have a clone prior to the upgrade on an external just in case. I've needed it a few times.

     

    I bought a copy of Snow Leopard Server just in case something comes up, I still haven't made a VM out of it yet.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Mar 26, 2012 2:47 PM in response to Chris J Witt
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    Mar 26, 2012 2:47 PM in response to Chris J Witt

    I continue to use Rosetta in Lion through Snow Leopard in Parallels 7. 

     

    My need is Quicken Deluxe 2002, which supports stock market transactions.  The recent Quicken 2007 for Lion only works with data from Quicken 2005, 2006 & 2007; there is no upgrade path for prior years.

     

    This has worked for me 24/7/365:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/16247806#16247806

     

    Lion-Snow+Leopard.jpg

  • by Martin Pace,

    Martin Pace Martin Pace Mar 26, 2012 3:20 PM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Mar 26, 2012 3:20 PM in response to MlchaelLAX

    The upgrade path is to buy the Quicken 2007 for Mac (PPC version) and upgrade using that under a OS X 10.6.8 or earlier version. Then buy/install the Quicken 2007 for Lion and transfer the Quicken Data File to the Lion partition.

     

    I had Quicken Deluxe 2002 and updated to Quicken 2007 for Mac (PPC) last year after Intuit stated that they were not supporting the older formats with future updates. It's not too late, Quicken 2007 for Mac (PPC) is still available from resellers, but is a bit more expensive. You might even try calling Intuit and see if you can get a copy of the PPC version for free or at a reduced price along with the Lion version.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Mar 26, 2012 3:22 PM in response to ticzon
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    Mar 26, 2012 3:22 PM in response to ticzon

    ticzon wrote:

     

    Looks like we will never get Rosetta on Lion. "Thanks a lot Apple. You just turned your back on Mac users who were with you even when you were almost dead..."

     

    As a business owner (Mac Users since 1991, Shareholder since 1997), I too can not upgrade my office machines due to the need of Rosetta. One of the applications that I rely on is no longer supported (the software company is long gone) and there is no replacement.

     

    snip

    Let me get this straight, you took a business decision to rely on software that is unsupported and in order to make that decision work you want Apple to remain mired in the past!

     

    That is exactly what Windows is for.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Mar 26, 2012 3:39 PM in response to Martin Pace
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    Mar 26, 2012 3:39 PM in response to Martin Pace

    Martin Pace wrote:

     

    The upgrade path is to buy the Quicken 2007 for Mac (PPC version)...

     

    Thank you, Martin: Quicken 2007 does not support stock market transactions; so in my case, even if this approach works, the ultimate result is unsatisfactory for my needs.

     

    Using Quicken Deluxe 2002 in Rosetta in Lion buys me the time to see how others progress away from Quicken on the Mac platform and learn from their experiences for a future solution.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Mar 26, 2012 3:58 PM in response to Csound1
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    Mar 26, 2012 3:58 PM in response to Csound1

    ticzon wrote:

     

    Looks like we will never get Rosetta on Lion. "Thanks a lot Apple. You just turned your back on Mac users who were with you even when you were almost dead..."

     


    Apple announced six years ago that PPC coding would be dropped. They paid people the courtesy of having extra time to update or replace programs by introducing Rosetta into Snow Leopard (An OSX by the way, that was not even able to be installed on PPC machines - a pretty strong statement). Now, after six years, PPC has gone, so too has Rosetta within systems. As Csound1 said, it's nothing to do with Apple if you choose to use some program so far out of date that the company isn't even around anymore. I do not know what the program was, but I would be guessing that it could be replaced by a much more up to date and more powerful program if you searched.

     

    Good Luck

     

    Pete

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Mar 26, 2012 4:09 PM in response to ticzon
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    Mar 26, 2012 4:09 PM in response to ticzon

    ticzon wrote:

     

    ...I guess we need to get Apple to allow us to run the Mac Client of Snow Leopard in a virtual machine inside Lion...

     

    Maybe if you tell us some more specifics, we can be of more help to you.

     

    Your suggestion of using Snow Leopard in a virtual machine inside Lion is EXACTLY what I use and it is working almost perfectly for me and others who have sought out my help for their needs (see my post above on this page).

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Mar 26, 2012 4:10 PM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Mar 26, 2012 4:10 PM in response to MlchaelLAX

    MlchaelLAX wrote:

     

    ticzon wrote:

     

    ...I guess we need to get Apple to allow us to run the Mac Client of Snow Leopard in a virtual machine inside Lion...

     

    Maybe if you tell us some more specifics, we can be of more help to you.

     

    Your suggestion of using Snow Leopard in a virtual machine inside Lion is EXACTLY what I use and it is working almost perfectly for me and others who have sought out my help for their needs (see my post above on this page).

    But it is still a violation of the license.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Mar 26, 2012 4:19 PM in response to Csound1
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    Mar 26, 2012 4:19 PM in response to Csound1

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    MlchaelLAX wrote:

     

     

    Your suggestion of using Snow Leopard in a virtual machine inside Lion is EXACTLY what I use and it is working almost perfectly for me and others who have sought out my help for their needs (see my post above on this page).

    But it is still a violation of the license.

    Oh please don't start him on this again!!!!! He has no idea and refuses to listen. It is just a pain in the a**.

     

    Save me

     

    Pete

  • by Eric.,

    Eric. Eric. Mar 27, 2012 7:31 AM in response to petermac87
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    Mar 27, 2012 7:31 AM in response to petermac87

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    It is just a pain in the a**.

     

    Yeah I find using virtual machines a bit of pain in you-know-what.  

     

    Actually SL Server for the VM and Windows too were a pain on the wallet, which I sit on, so maybe that's what caused it.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Apr 3, 2012 9:00 AM in response to Eric.
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    Apr 3, 2012 9:00 AM in response to Eric.

    Eric. wrote:

    Actually SL Server for the VM and Windows too were a pain on the wallet...

    Virtualize Snow Leopard -- It is only $29 at the Apple Store with FREE shipping

     

    http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC573Z/A

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Apr 3, 2012 11:12 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Apr 3, 2012 11:12 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    MlchaelLAX wrote:

     

    Eric. wrote:

    Actually SL Server for the VM and Windows too were a pain on the wallet...

    Virtualize Snow Leopard -- It is only $29 at the Apple Store with FREE shipping

     

    http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC573Z/A

    Once more, that is a violation of the license,

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