Chris J Witt

Q: Rosetta and Lion - Is there a solution?

I'm considering upgrading to Lion, mostly due to the fact it has drivers for Nvidia's 500 Series, so ATY_Init will be happy with it.

But, one problem... No rosetta, and a lot of the programs I use or test are not universal binary (Primarily Cocoa PPC or Carbon). So that raises the issue.

 

How would I go about getting Rosetta on to Lion? I'm assuming that it wouldn't be as simple as copying some Frameworks and Kexts... Do any solutions exist for this yet, like hacks or mods, or is it impossible? (Or too soon?)

Posted on Jul 21, 2011 2:30 AM

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  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Apr 3, 2012 11:34 AM in response to Csound1
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  • by Király,

    Király Király Apr 4, 2012 8:44 AM in response to Csound1
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    Apr 4, 2012 8:44 AM in response to Csound1

    Once more, that is a violation of the license,

    Csound1, that isn't true. That idea is all based on rumor and speculation, not fact. If you want to keep believing it, fine, but you need to stop posting it in these forums. Remember the terms of use of these forums prohibit speculation on Apple products or decisions.

  • by celliott147,

    celliott147 celliott147 Apr 4, 2012 8:58 AM in response to Király
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    Apr 4, 2012 8:58 AM in response to Király

    Actually, it is if you read the EULA of SL. SL Server can be virtualized legally though...

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Apr 4, 2012 9:12 AM in response to Király
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    Apr 4, 2012 9:12 AM in response to Király

    Király wrote:

     

    Once more, that is a violation of the license,

    Csound1, that isn't true. That idea is all based on rumor and speculation, not fact. If you want to keep believing it, fine, but you need to stop posting it in these forums. Remember the terms of use of these forums prohibit speculation on Apple products or decisions.

    You are wrong! SL Server may be virtualized, SL may not, stop encouraging this behaviour.

  • by Király,

    Király Király Apr 4, 2012 9:22 AM in response to celliott147
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    Apr 4, 2012 9:22 AM in response to celliott147

    I've read the Snow Leopard SLA and there is no mention of it being a license violation. Have you read it?

     

    All we know is that makers of VM software disallow Snow Leopard Client from being virtualized. We don't know the reason why, because the reason has never been made public. People have speculated on the reasons. At some point somebody speculated that "Snow Leopard client is not licensed to run under virtualization on a host Mac running Lion", and that rumour has spread like wildfire. It has become one of the most pervasive bits of Mac folklore ever perpetuated.

     

    The rumour can be laid to rest simply by reading the Snow Leopard SLA, in which no such prohibition exists. 

     

    It's time to put the rumour to rest for good, and stop posting about it here in the forums, where this kind of speculation is prohibited under the forum's terms of use.

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Apr 4, 2012 9:37 AM in response to Király
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    Apr 4, 2012 9:37 AM in response to Király

    Would you mind elaborating on why running an OS in VM is specifically mentioned/allowed in the Lion SLA, but is not mentioned at all (that I could find) in the Snow Leopard SLA? 

  • by Király,

    Király Király Apr 4, 2012 9:45 AM in response to babowa
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    It's to allow up to three copies of Lion to be running sumultaneously on the same Mac (one natively, and two under a VM).

     

    The Snow Leopard license allows only one copy to be running at any given time. One copy running is one copy running, whether under a VM or not. Snow Leopard running under virtualization on a Mac running Snow Leopard = two copies running sumiltaneously, which is not allowed. Snow Leopard running under virtualization on a Mac running Lion is one copy running, and as such is compliant with the SLA.

     

    Why did Apple make this change in Lion? I don't know, and I won't speculate, because that's not allowed on these forums.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Apr 4, 2012 9:54 AM in response to babowa
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    Apr 4, 2012 9:54 AM in response to babowa

    babowa wrote:

     

    Would you mind elaborating on why running an OS in VM is specifically mentioned/allowed in the Lion SLA, but is not mentioned at all (that I could find) in the Snow Leopard SLA? 

    I still use ProDOS on my Apple //c.  Did you happen to notice if anything in the Lion SLA changes my abilities to utilize ProDOS in the future?

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Apr 4, 2012 10:11 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Apr 4, 2012 10:11 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    I have no idea; the SLA's are available for download here:

     

    http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Apr 4, 2012 10:18 AM in response to babowa
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    Apr 4, 2012 10:18 AM in response to babowa

    babowa wrote:

     

    Would you mind elaborating on why running an OS in VM is specifically mentioned/allowed in the Lion SLA, but is not mentioned at all (that I could find) in the Snow Leopard SLA?

    MichaelLAX wrote:

     

    I still use ProDOS on my Apple //c.  Did you happen to notice if anything in the Lion SLA changes my abilities to utilize ProDOS in the future?

     

    babowa wrote:

     

    I have no idea; the SLA's are available for download here:

     

    http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/

    I was facetiously using "analogy" to respond to your question to Kiråly...

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Apr 4, 2012 10:19 AM in response to babowa
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    Apr 4, 2012 10:19 AM in response to babowa

    babowa wrote:

     

    Would you mind elaborating on why running an OS in VM is specifically mentioned/allowed in the Lion SLA, but is not mentioned at all (that I could find) in the Snow Leopard SLA? 

    My interpretation is that Apples SLA state clearly what is allowed, Lion (client) states that virtualization is allowed, Snow Leopard (client) does not, I read this as virtualization not allowed. This viewpoint is shared by all major virtualization software providers so I am comfortable with it.

     

    Both SL and Lion (server) also state that virtualization is allowed.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Apr 4, 2012 10:24 AM in response to babowa
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    Apr 4, 2012 10:24 AM in response to babowa

    Put another way:

     

    All Men are mortal.

    Socrates is a Man.

    Therefore Socrates is mortal.

     

    But we learn nothing from:

     

    Snow Leopards are friendly.

    Three Lions can run in the jungle at the same time.

     

    Can a Snow Leopard run in the jungle?

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Apr 4, 2012 10:30 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    MlchaelLAX wrote:

     

    Put another way:

     

    All Men are mortal.

    Socrates is a Man.

    Therefore Socrates is mortal.

     

    But we learn nothing from:

     

    Snow Leopards are friendly.

    Three Lions can run in the jungle at the same time.

     

    Can a Snow Leopard run in the jungle?

    Socrates is dead, so he was mortal and is that a real or virtual jungle?

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Apr 4, 2012 10:32 AM in response to Csound1
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    Apr 4, 2012 10:32 AM in response to Csound1

    So if I want to use Adobe's Photoshop CS4, how many of Adobe's other products' SLAs (that I may not even own) do I have to read before I can be really, really sure I have the right to use Photoshop CS4?

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Apr 4, 2012 10:36 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Apr 4, 2012 10:36 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    MlchaelLAX wrote:

     

    So if I want to use Adobe's Photoshop CS4, how many of Adobe's other products' SLAs (that I may not even own) do I have to read before I can be really, really sure I have the right to use Photoshop CS4?

    How would I know, ask Adobe!

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