Currently Being ModeratedApr 13, 2012 3:10 PM (in response to Jim Downward)
Jim Downward wrote:
I am quite willing to upgrade programs. Sadly, it was not always possible either for economic reasons or because the vendor never upgraded their software to run on Intel Macs.
For example, I owned a small R&D company. From 1990 until when it closed,we created somewhere between 15,000 to 20,000 Microsoft Word, Excell, and Powerpoint documents. Critical Word documents were created in 4, Word 5.1, Word 6, and Word V.x, and Word 2004. Similarly, we had Excel, and Powerpoint documents created (and still readable) using ancient versions of Excel and Powerpoint. Office 2008 only reads some of the old document formats, and Office 2011 reads even fewer. So over the course of several months, before installing Lion, I tracked down (across multiple computers) and converted each of these documents so as to be readable using Office 2008. What pain!
However, some of the scientific data analysis software we used was rather expensive, and the upgrade fees would have been huge. In addition, we use TurboTax. In the event of an audit, we need to be able to access our tax information going back at least 7 years. Unfortunately, current versions of Turbotax just do not open Turbotax files created by previous versions.
All in all, I am quite envious of those who have been easily able to upgrade to Lion without having to deal with losing the ability to run programs which depended on Rosetta.
WOW! If there ever was a reason to be concerned, THIS IS IT!
I have JUST one Excel spreadsheet that will not open properly in 2011 and so I continue to use 2004 as I update it, just because I do not want to take the time to figure out the problem.
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Do you already have Parallels 7? Just curious, what is its version number. I am mostly up to date, but I noticed just yesterday that it told me there is another update.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 13, 2012 3:55 PM (in response to Kurt Lang)
Kurt, unfortunately nobody could have predicted the demise of Kodak. Scanners and other peripherals of choice will obviously require outdated system coding to run their outdated software. Unfortunatly we live in a disposable world, so it is up to the user to cater for their own needs. Whereas Lion does everything I require, you obviously wish to stay in a ppc friendly world, which is fine but certainly not Apple's responsibility to support the few who need it. Some people here seem to believe that everybody in the world requires Rosetta support while others quietly go about setting up the best combination of computing factors that suit their workflow.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 13, 2012 6:54 PM (in response to MlchaelLAX)
Last count you had followed me directly into eleven threads. I am starting to consider that stalking and will report it as such. Your comments in those posts speak for themselves. As did your comment here that was in answer to Kurt's post, not yours.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 13, 2012 7:21 PM (in response to petermac87)
Not exactly factually true, but nice try!
Two people in two days posts specific reasons why they need to run PPC programs in a post-Lion world: yesterday you reply to Jim and today you reply to Kurt.
You offer NOTHING OF VALUE to either one of them. You continue to use these posts as a sounding board for your position that Rosetta is dead, upgrade your software and if you cannot upgrade your software, too bad for you! What value did you add to either discussion? Certainly no sympathy for their situations.
Let's look at your reply to Kurt: the first sentence about no one being able to predict the demise of Kodak... it was well-known that Kodak, whose principal business was the manufacturing of film stock, was in trouble in a digital world. I guess it was a surprise to you.
I am not sure what the next two sentences even mean, let alone add to the discussion.
Then you tell us your oft quoted view of the post-Rosetta world:
1. You have no need for it, as you have upgraded all of your software.
2. Apple has no obligation to continue Rosetta support indefinitely into the future -- a point made neither by Jim or Kurt.
3. And lastly you opine that some people would require everybody to support Rosetta -- again a point made neither by Jim or Kurt.
So, I will repeat what I often say when you post your comments in opposition to my Rosetta in Lion posts: some people need to have access to Rosetta in a Lion environment. Maybe because of iCloud, maybe because their new hardware requires Lion, or for other reasons.
Most of us add positive suggestions to the mix. I offered a detailed suggestion to Kurt and it turns out that he has already implemented a similar solution.
You berate my posts, my screenshots and call me names...
My mother taught me: "If you do not have anything positive to add to the discussion, listen and learn!"
Currently Being ModeratedApr 13, 2012 7:36 PM (in response to MlchaelLAX)
No, you were the one who dragged up an old post making reference to my children, then spent the rest of the day stalking me through posts that had nothing to do with Rosetta. Your attempts at justifying your comments are almost, well........softwaterish.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 13, 2012 8:07 PM (in response to petermac87)
OK, then let's look at your reply to Jim.
Jim tells us of his successes with getting Snow Leopard to run in Virtual Box and concludes with the statement that: "I am posting this to suggest that hope is possible..." and gives us a screenshot to show how it functions. You reply:
Still seems a lot more sensible to upgrade your programs. I had two PPC programs remaining when I updated. Now all my software is compatable with Lion, which was pretty much the idea when Apple began phasing out PPC well over 6 years ago. PPC Macs themselves could not even run Snow Leopard. Seems like a complicated way to go about holding on to the last renants of an outdated program (Rosetta) which was only ever included as one last chance for users to get somewhere near modern software.
Good Luck, but it's not for most of us.
Jim has 15,000 to 20,000 documents created for his small R&D company back in the 90s in older versions of MS Word, Excel and Powerpoint many of which are unreadable in Office 2011.
Jim also tells us that some of the scientific data analysis software was expensive to begin with and upgrade fees would be hugh. And in the case of tax audits which can go back 7 years, current versions of TurboTax will not read the earlier data.
Your suggestion? "Still seems a lot more sensible to upgrade your programs."
Then the oft-repeated refrain of your post-Lion position regarding Rosetta:
1. You have updated ALL of YOUR software.
2. Time for everyone to get modern software.
3. It (Rosetta) is not for "most of us."
You offered nothing of value to Jim either...