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Is anyone able to use Unsanity haxies with Lion?

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  • herrbutzie Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 15, 2012 5:35 AM (in response to itasarah)

    It has been 12+ yrs since OSX was introduced in 1999. It didn't have a window shading ability then and it still doesn't and NEVER WILL.
    GET OVER IT PEOPLE .. Apple is not putting windowshading in the core of the OS.

     

    Unsanity is not gonna be able to reinvent their haxies to work with Lion and more specifically with Mountain Lion.

    Apple is sandboxing all applications so that they live within their own space, they can not access other applications, can not access any part of the Core OS system. .. GET OVER IT PEOPLE ..


    If you want to continue to use Unsanity's haxies then STAY with Snow Leopard. No one is forcing you to upgrade to Lion or to Mountain Lion.

  • dhjdhj Level 2 Level 2 (160 points)
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    Apr 15, 2012 5:55 AM (in response to herrbutzie)

    Several comments....

    1) typically one doesn't discover that something won't work with new OS until after new OS has been installed. It's clearly not practical to go check the "compatibility" of every app you already have. So many will have already updated/upgraded before finding out

    2) suggesting that people don't upgrade is naive. Many new(and often desirable) features come only with such updates and so the discussion really needs to be how desired features (like roll up) could be done in the new environment rather than just saying forget it! I've heard too many people claim something can't be done to accept it without strong evidence

     

     

    I don't know anything about gatekeeper but is it really the case that it will be completely immune to superuser/kernel daemons/drivers?

  • itasarah Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 15, 2012 6:32 AM (in response to dhjdhj)

    I agaee with dhjdhj and disagree with herrbutzie.  There are some old applications that are more than hard to get over and I don't believe we should (although we may not have the option of ) have to be "getting over" them.   I feel sometimes like APPLE is similar to the Federal Govmt these days telling us what we should or shouldn't have or should and shouldn't use and taking control over what we like and is useful to us. I feel the same way about my iphone. It came out and had all these wonderful features, but NOW it costs more  to use those features - a lot more in fact- by limiting data plans. It takes the fun and intent out of all these wonderful appliances when the companies behind them essentially  control what you can and use or not use or  they make you pay more for what you have if you use them which allows the companies to make more money. Did Apple get rid of Rosetta just to eliminate third party apps? Did it bother to ask us which apps are really important to its users? Did Apple even care?  Don't get me wrong. I have been an Apple supporter since 1984 but I see it getting more complex and less user friendly than in the past.

  • herrbutzie Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 15, 2012 6:33 AM (in response to dhjdhj)

    Any company that creates hacks to the core operating system (that relies upon undocumented and unofficial application interfaces) is always going to be at risk of becoming incompatible and obsolete.  Apple's improvements to the system have been to make it faster, stabler, and safer.

     

    Hacks often have to break through security features of the operating system, making your system vulnerable to kernel panics and crashes Unsanity's APE enhancer is a big cause for many OS crashes.  It certainly took Unsanity nearly year to update for Snow Leopard, - so long that I stopped using their hacks and found replacements.

  • itasarah Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 15, 2012 6:56 AM (in response to herrbutzie)

    Yes, but there is no adquate replacement for windowshading and that is the unfortunate part.

  • Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (39,545 points)
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    Apr 15, 2012 6:58 AM (in response to itasarah)

    I see windowshading as an extremely small benefit for all of the problems that APE causes.

     

    Allan

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,065 points)
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    Apr 15, 2012 7:01 AM (in response to itasarah)

    itasarah wrote:

     

    Yes, but there is no adquate replacement for windowshading and that is the unfortunate part.

    I can't believe people are resurecting this old thread. Windowshade (whatever THAT was) has obviously not been developed any further by this Unsanity Mob. It's not Apple's fault. Get over it.

     

    Pete

  • itasarah Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 15, 2012 7:16 AM (in response to herrbutzie)

    Well I never had a problem with windowshade, and people don't get over things that were really good. It was fast, safe and without bugs.  (I still have a defunct music program that I have never been able to replicate and all the music I created on it comes thru like jibberish. I paid a lot of mula for the new more sophisticated  music programs which I hardly use because they are way too complicated and not as useful as the one I originally had. But that is besides the point, I guess.) I don't see windowshading as a small benefit. It has always been a huge benefit for me. Maybe you never used it, but it was much more effective than mission control windows or minimizing to the dock when you have several windows open taking space on your screen and you need to hop back and forth from one window to another and be able to see the previous window right away. Right now I have three stickies on my sight that I have minimized. I can get to them immediately for reference but they don't take up space. That should be the case with all windows.

     

    It is not such an old thread because I see people still contributing not just here but in other user groups I belong to. It is an ongoing thread because users want what works for them not just for what so called progress has been made. How do you explain that Apple still uses windowshading for stickies if it is such an outdated program?

     

    If you know of a replacement app as good as windowshading, please post. The one or two I have tried were not worth my paying for.

  • oxcart Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
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    Apr 15, 2012 10:26 AM (in response to Allan Eckert)

    Allan Eckert wrote:

     

    I see windowshading as an extremely small benefit for all of the problems that APE causes.

     

    Allan

     

     

    I have had APE on my computer since it was invented and still do.  During that time I have trouble shot many problems and not one of them was ever due to APE.  I've had microsoft and adobe programs burning up my CPU and as for FLASH, give me a break!  APE is benign by comparison.

  • oxcart Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
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    Apr 15, 2012 10:34 AM (in response to petermac87)

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    I can't believe people are resurecting this old thread. Windowshade (whatever THAT was) has obviously not been developed any further by this Unsanity Mob. It's not Apple's fault. Get over it.

     

    Pete

     

    Level 3 is a respectable level to reach and you must have been around the block once or twice.  However, this is the dumbest reply I've seen on this web site.  You seem to be disparaging Windowshad and its users and you don't even know what IT is!  Come on grow up a bit.

     

    Sorry to flame you.  But why don't you make yourself a SL partition and try Windowshade.  I use it several times an hour.  I also use spaces several times an hour.  To give you an idea why Windowshade users are so irate, I can honestly say that if asked to choose between Windowshade and Spaces I would take Windowshade.

     

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    As for those people who are complaining about having paid for Windowshade, please spare a though for the developer... it is not his fault that Apple changed the OS and broke his App.  It was also pretty cheep and you can't expect life time support for nine bucks.

  • oxcart Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
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    Apr 15, 2012 10:50 AM (in response to itasarah)

    itasarah wrote:

     

    How do you explain that Apple still uses windowshading for stickies if it is such an outdated program?

     

    Good point.  This makes me think that they may just lack the bandwidth to deal with every aspect of the OS.

     

    Here's an example:  In OS10.4 I was plagued by the fact that command-F gave you a file content search, and since I always search by name I had to use the mouse to select the 'name' field. After a lot of suffering I raised this point on this forum and was informed that command-shift-F gave would select the find by name field. However, when I executed this command it did not seem to work.  Why? Simple, there was no cursor in the 'name' field.  However, only when one began to type did the text and the cursor appear.  This was a significant programming glitch in a very prominent part of the user interface. So, were Apple careless, stupid or did they just lack the bandwidth to deal with it?

  • Hen3ry Level 2 Level 2 (495 points)
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    Apr 15, 2012 7:21 PM (in response to oxcart)

    Whew, this discussion is getting a bit unfocused.

     

    Is windowshading technically feasible in 10.7?   The example of 10.7 Stickies seems to indicate "yes".  But function may not be available except inside Apple.  (Anyone here expert enough to navigate the tech docs to find exactly what the OS currently allows outsiders to do?)

     

    Does Apple want to support some form of windowshading?   Apparently, "Only in a very narrow context, namely for Stickies."

     

    If it is technically feasible, why would Apple not support windowshading in all contexts?   It could be that Apple has determined that windowshading simply isn't very important except to a small number of users. (Seems to me I've seen only a few dozen people post on this issue. Suppose the actual number is 1000 times that.  Still only a tiny fraction of the complete user base.) Or Apple has hashed over the issue now for years and decided that general windowshading is inconsistent with the overall design and where they want the design to go. (The fact that general windowshading DID exist once-upon-a-time and was removed from the OS, to me seems to confirm this.)

     

    Will Unsanity suddenly reanamiate and save the day?   I'm not holding my breath.  (Anyone?)

     

    Will slamming Apple (or Unsanity) get us general windowshading again?   Come on, folks.   I'm really frustrated! I don't like not having windowshading!  A bit of bellyaching is OK, but let's not let it get out hand.

  • Hone Melgren Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
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    Apr 15, 2012 10:49 PM (in response to herrbutzie)

    Um.


    You seem to be misinformed as to how APE worked.

     

    APE has always worked at the Application level not the system level.

     

    And only using function calls from Apple's APIs that were well documented.

     

    There were no "unofficial" or "undocumented" APIs used.

     

    It did not break through any security features of an O/S. It worked at an Application level meaning that if you no longer wanted it moding your system you only had to quit the process.

     

    Much of the time it only showed up in OS crashes is because as a function of how it worked it had to be open all the time. There are ways of reading crash reports to ascertain where in memory it actually crashed and no having APE related symbols in threads in a crash report does not mean APE cause the crash.

     

    There was a major system upgrade that broke it in a major way and did cause some crash on login issues. But afaik no data was ever lost and it was only due to Apple making undocumented changes to their APIs that were not in the last build pushed out to developers.

     

    Finally saying it took Unsanity a year to update for SL is not proof that their software was a bad hack - it just proves the company's lazy. Or occupied with other business ventures if you've paid attention to the twitter feeds of their major developer guys.

  • Hone Melgren Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
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    Apr 15, 2012 10:50 PM (in response to herrbutzie)

    Um.


    You seem to be misinformed as to how APE worked.

     

    APE has always worked at the Application level not the system level.

     

    And only using function calls from Apple's APIs that were well documented.

     

    There were no "unofficial" or "undocumented" APIs used.

     

    It did not break through any security features of an O/S. It worked at an Application level meaning that if you no longer wanted it moding your system you only had to quit the process.

     

    Much of the time it only showed up in OS crashes is because as a function of how it worked it had to be open all the time. There are ways of reading crash reports to ascertain where in memory it actually crashed and no having APE related symbols in threads in a crash report does not mean APE cause the crash.

     

    There was a major system upgrade that broke it in a major way and did cause some crash on login issues. But afaik no data was ever lost and it was only due to Apple making undocumented changes to their APIs that were not in the last build pushed out to developers.

     

    Finally saying it took Unsanity a year to update for SL is not proof that their software was a bad hack - it just proves the company's lazy. Or occupied with other business ventures if you've paid attention to the twitter feeds of their major developer guys.

  • Hone Melgren Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

    Sorry everyone.

     

    Looks like I posted twice.

     

    Only problem is when I login in on either Safari or Firefox I don't see any of the new posts for some reason

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