10 Replies Latest reply: Apr 27, 2012 2:56 PM by rb_stern
rb_stern Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

My older MBP is running very slow, and I have tried all the usual ways of making it run quicker - repair permissions, repair disk from Lion recovery partition, remove extraneous files, checking Activity Monitor, etc. etc. Someone suggested reformatting the HD and then restoring from a backup. I have the HD cloned to an external HD with Super Duper, but if I reformat the internal HD and restore from the clone, won't the problems that caused the issue in the first place just be cloned into SD and then restored to the reformatted internal drive, thus defeating the excercise? Any other suggestions?

 

Thanks,

 

Richard


MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.3)
  • 1. Re: Question re: using Super Duper to Erase and restore HD
    macjack Level 9 Level 9 (50,510 points)

    Yes, the problems will be cloned along with it. All the process you are suggesting would do would be to defragment and that probably is not the issue.

     

    EDIT: What are the specs And the RAM from the Apple menu > About this Mac.

  • 2. Re: Question re: using Super Duper to Erase and restore HD
    rb_stern Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi,

     

     

    Model Name:

    MacBook Pro
      Model Identifier:MacBookPro3,1
      Processor Name:Intel Core 2 Duo
      Processor Speed:2.4 GHz
      Number of Processors:1
      Total Number of Cores:2
      L2 Cache:4 MB
      Memory:4 GB
      Bus Speed:800 MHz
      Boot ROM Version:MBP31.0070.B07

    Memory - 4GB 667 Mhz DDR2 SDRAM, all memory slots currently in use - 2G each.

     

    Richard

  • 3. Re: Question re: using Super Duper to Erase and restore HD
    macjack Level 9 Level 9 (50,510 points)

    Great, I was wondering about the ram beimg insufficient for Lion. Everything there says you shouldn't be running slowly.

     

    There are some simple troubleshooting steps you can take.

     

    Be sure you drive is not overly full. Rule of thumb would be over 90%.

     

    (First, be sure you have a good backup, or create one now.)

     

    Create a new User go to System Preferences > Users & Groups > "+" (make it an admin acct) and test the apps in this new account, if they work the problem is isolated to your User and not systemwide.

     

    If the issue is limited to your user account try starting up in Safe Mode  (It will take more time to startup because it runs a directory check.)

     

    If your apps functions correctly that way, go to System Preferences >> Accounts >> Login Items and remove them. Boot normally and test.

     

    If the issue is systemwide then, you may be able to repair by booting cmd-r to your recovery Volume and re-installing Lion. This will be an "install in place" and shouldn' teffect your data and settings.

  • 4. Re: Question re: using Super Duper to Erase and restore HD
    rb_stern Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks,

     

    I'll try all that over the next day or so, and get back to you. Thanks for the suggestions. BTW my HD is 90% full, but the problem was there when it was 80% full, and I think it was actually starting before I upgraded from SL to Lion, although it's much worse now.

     

    Richard

  • 5. Re: Question re: using Super Duper to Erase and restore HD
    Dick M Level 3 Level 3 (685 points)

    Even at 80%, many in these forums would suggest it is cleanup time.  90% is certainly too much.

     

    RM

  • 6. Re: Question re: using Super Duper to Erase and restore HD
    macjack Level 9 Level 9 (50,510 points)

    Begin moving files off your hard drive to some other removable media. Check your disk with Omni DiskSweeper if you have unaccounted for space to see what's hogging your HDD space.

     

    Then, see if the performance improves. If not, follow the rest of the steps.

  • 7. Re: Question re: using Super Duper to Erase and restore HD
    rb_stern Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi,

     

    Unfortunately none of this has made any difference! I did everything you suggested, also removed some small resident apps, disabled some stuff in Firefox and Spotlight, removed Chrome, (all using AppDelete), secure emptied the trash, moved a bunch of photos onto a portable HD, so that my 250G HD now has 36.43G free, then re-installed Lion. But it's still running really slow, especially if more than 1 program or app is open, and particularly if I'm trying to do stuff in Lightroom and/ or Photoshop Elements - I know these use  lot of memory, but it didn't used to be like that! It's almost as if the machine isn't using all 4G of RAM, although all the diagnostic stuff says there shouldn't be a problem. My laptop is coming up to its 5th anniversary, so maybe this is the excuse to shell out for a nice new one - but it's a lot of money, and I shouldn't have thought that was necessary with a Mac ...........

     

    Richard

  • 8. Re: Question re: using Super Duper to Erase and restore HD
    macjack Level 9 Level 9 (50,510 points)

    All I can suggest at this point would be to reformat and do a clean install of Lion.


    If you have the Lion installer saved, use it. If not go to MAS and redownload it from Purchases. You may have to hold the option key on purchases. Save it to your Desktop.

     

    Then make a good clone before you start wiith  SuperDuper or CarbonCopy Cloner

    Then boot from the clone go to Disk Utility > Erase. Then install Lion to that volume.

     

    EDIT: If you have any questions about your RAM...

    Download and run Rember to test your RAM. a front-end GUI to the 'memtest' command line memory testing program. This application will allow the user to select the number of test loops, as well as the amount of memory to test.

  • 9. Re: Question re: using Super Duper to Erase and restore HD
    rb_stern Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi again,

     

    Well - I did all that, used Rember (RAM OK), re-installed Lion, then wiped the HD and cloned back from Super Duper, re-testing at every stage. Nothing has helped! Interestingly, after cloning back from Super Duper, I'm trying to run Time Machine and it's incredibly slow. It wants to backup the whole HD (202 Gigs) and after nearly an hour has got to 9.3Mb.I have done everything suggested in this forum and on the Apple Help pages to try and speed it up, but to no avail.

     

    I'm getting pretty fed up with this, and I'm very tempted now to cut my losses and buy a new MBP - probably a refurbished one direct from Apple Canada, as at least I know that it will have been carefully serviced and tested.

     

    If I do, I would use Migration Assistant to transfer all my settings, accounts, programs and data to the new one. In that situation, I have 2 questions -

     

    -- Will whatever has gone wrong with my old machine and slowed it down be migrated to the new one, with its faster HD, faster processor, better graphics card, etc. etc?

     

    -- Is it better to use fthe Firewire method to transfer everything, or Time Machine (it's backed up to a 1TB LaCie external USB2 drive),  particularly as I'm now concerned that there's some problem making Time Machine run so slowly?

     

    Thanks for any help,

     

    Richard

  • 10. Re: Question re: using Super Duper to Erase and restore HD
    rb_stern Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi again,

     

    I had the hard drive replaced, and all problems (so far) solved!.

     

    Thanks for all the suggestions anyway.

     

    Richard