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is there a different term other than "Architect" for apple professionals?

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Jonsonator Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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Apr 27, 2012 6:29 AM

Do Apple IT professionals use different terms for their job descriptions? is an "architect" still someone who traditionaly knows coding/scripting? someone who develops and tests apps from start to finish?

  • Keith Barkley Level 5 Level 5 (5,140 points)

    I have never heard "architect" used in this context. Usually it is "programmer" or "developer".

  • K T Level 7 Level 7 (23,215 points)

    Inside Apple the term 'engineer' seems to be used.


    Otherwise, developer., sorry.

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (23,900 points)

    An "Architect" is a very senior engineer who is staying in a technical track as opposed to going into management. Architects are responsible the overall "architecture" of the system as opposed to the low-level coding. An architect has to be someone very experienced who can see the "big picture" of a system that hasn't been developed yet.


    Most organizations that have large development teams will have a few architects. For example, here are a couple of architect jobs at Apple:

    Connectivity Systems Architect

    GPU Software Performance Architect


    I'm sure there are more than those two. Those jobs looked really good but they were all in Cupertino, not Toronto, so I didn't want to look anymore .

  • K T Level 7 Level 7 (23,215 points)

    Apple's use of 'architect' includes:


    • Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering.




    • 'Knowledge of' Mac OS X, Core Animation, UIKit, Core Graphics and iPhone programming a plus


    Does that fit with your question about IT pros?

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (23,900 points)

    I think the problem is that corporations never supported Macs so there was no industry to develop Mac programmers. The only people who wrote Mac software either did so for fun or started their own businesses. Back in the day, people who knew Mac programming knew to keep that sort of thing off their resume if they wanted a decent job.


    So, a competent Mac software architect would probably have mostly Windows or UNIX on a resume. I doubt such a person would ever post to DICE or Monster. No offense intended, but those sites are just full of headhunters. Someone with experience and marketable skills isn't likely to respond. Tough business.

  • K T Level 7 Level 7 (23,215 points)

    It is a tough business and this is an interesting question, I think.


    I doubt we could change an industry, but if you're up for feedback, perhaps we can eval your job description and try to help - promise not to beat you up too much


    I think the Mac-centric types know how to translate the seemingly windows-centric ads - I think they also tend to maintain dual platform skill sets. My 2 cents...

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (23,900 points)

    OK. I will read your ad from the perspective of a hypothetical software architect looking to make a move...

    Jonsonator wrote:


    "Our client is looking for an Apple support engineer/Architect



    If I were looking for an architect job, I would close the window as soon as I saw "support engineer". Which one do you want? More precisely, how much are you paying? If it was a sweet position, working with Macs, in a nice city, you might get away with $100-120k for an architect. If you aren't paying that much, get rid of the word "architect".


    that has strong Apple Macintosh-OSX and mobile device experience -  predominantly Apple iPhone and iPads.  We are looking for someone with strong experience integrating Apple Macintosh products into a corporate Windows PC environment


    <sigh> If I hate my current job and/or work in a cesspool of a town, I might still consider it.


    Our client has 65 Mac's plus many iPhone and iPads and growing.  We are looking for someone who can integrate the Window domain "casper suite" SMS for MAC.


    Never heard of it. I looked it up and I'm not too impressed. They "develop the only Mac and iOS management software developed exclusively for the Apple platform". Really? Doesn't Apple have some sort of "server" something or other? SMS? I don't get it at all. It seems to be some sort of help desk application. This is an IT job. I'm done.


    Provide Apple Scripting, Authentication and mapping Drives. They will be responsible for the strategy on all IOP apple devices, provide documentation, testing and very high level Authentication. The end result is our client wants all MAC product to function like there internal Windows machines."


    What is "IOP"? Don't ever use "MAC" unless you are talking about low-level network card addresses. You spelled "their" wrong.


    You are not hiring an architect, you are hiring a help desk support tech.

  • John Galt Level 7 Level 7 (33,075 points)

    In addition to etresoft's comments:


    • To from a plural add an "s" e.g. Macs not the posessive Mac's.
    • You have numerous examples of singular nouns where plurals are required ("all Mac product" should be "all Mac products").
    • Apple has minimized the use of "Macintosh" in favor of "Mac".
    • To reiterate: never, ever use MAC unless you mean Media Access Control.
    • Either use full sentences or don't. Sentence fragments are appropriate for itemized lists but appear out of place in conjunction with full sentences in a properly constructed paragraph.
    • Don't know why you capitalized Authentication or Drives.
    • As others have said Architect implies a very senior level position, who would probably report to someone at the VP or director level, while "support engineer" might imply anything including first tier phone support. They're almost mutually exclusive.


    I hope you don't interpret this criticism as unjustly harsh. Such details may appear insignificant to you but to an experienced professional, details matter. The entire effect makes it appear sloppy and that you really don't know what you're looking for. Mistakes like this are uncharacteristic of everything Apple does and would turn me off.


    Good luck with your search!

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (23,900 points)

    This one is starting to sound more interesting. I have some additional suggestions:


    1) Just say "software architect" instead of "Apple software architect". If this is a senior-level position, then any person on that level should have the experience and/or flexibility to do the job. An even better title might be "integration architect". You haven't said anything about software development. This is really an integration position.

    2) Don't use "Mac-OSX". You can say "MacOS X" or "OS X". Yes, we are that particular

    3) Avoid mention of the "Casper Suite". It works against you. Any person is going to expect to see some junky enterprise software. Just don't throw it in their face before they have even applied.

    4) Avoid mentioning specifics of the job. That implies that some micro-managing boss already knows how it should be done. If you are hiring an expert, that new expert will know how best to accomplish the task. Just say "They are looking for someone with strong experience integrating Apple Macintosh products into a corporate Windows PC environment" and drop the 2nd part of that sentence.

    5) Again, what is IOP? Did you mean "iOS"?

    6) What is "very high level Authentication"? Is this a technical thing or does this position have strategic purchasing authority?

    7) I know what you mean by the last sentence, but it comes across all wrong. Instead, say something like "Our client wants all Apple products to be fully integrated into the corporate technology infrastructure".


    Finally, where is this job? What city? There are only a few specific places that have many software/integration people and very few of those are Mac people. You might need to go where they are and offer relocation.


    I really haven't been in the job market for 4-5 years. I don't know if people even use DICE or Monster anymore. Advertise on Ars, Joel, or similar places. Does anyone else know of more Mac-specific sites that have real jobs?


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