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3 Mandatory 'Security' Questions?

17598 Views 81 Replies Latest reply: May 30, 2013 4:37 AM by Meg St._Clair RSS
  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,010 points)
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    Apr 30, 2012 5:28 AM (in response to Meg St._Clair)

    Meg St._Clair wrote:

     

    SandyCampbell wrote:

     

    Only a very young person would remember or care when/where the first kiss happened.

    Oh, I feel so sorry for you! How sad to no longer remember or care about wonderful things that happened to you in the past. Or perhaps your first kiss was just unpleasant? Lest you think I'm a teenager, my first kiss was in 1977, in June. And yes, I remember who and where.

    1954 and, yes, I also remember.

  • Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (37,450 points)
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    Apr 30, 2012 5:39 AM (in response to Philly_Phan)

    I'm glad to know I'm not the only one!

  • SandyCampbell Calculating status...
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    Apr 30, 2012 9:07 AM (in response to Meg St._Clair)

    The "I feel sorry for you" is rude and insulting.  Just thought I would let you know that in case you did not realize.  Some people seem to like putting others down with that "I feel sorry for you" bit and do not understand how rude it is.  If you know how rude it is and said it anyway, I surely do not feel sorry for you.  No doubt you have been experiencing the negative consequences of that attitude for some years now.

    Go get a life of your own, and stop making rude comments on the lives of perfect strangers.

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,010 points)
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    Apr 30, 2012 9:24 AM (in response to SandyCampbell)

    It's not rude to feel sorry for someone that has had an unhappy life.

  • Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (37,450 points)
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    Apr 30, 2012 9:30 AM (in response to SandyCampbell)

    SandyCampbell wrote:

     

    The "I feel sorry for you" is rude and insulting. 

    I am entitled to have feelings and to express them. And now, I feel even more sorry for you as you appear to be someone who takes pleasure in attacking other people, first by insulting the people who made up the questions and now but deriding me. I, on the other hand, have happy memories of people who have expressed love and affection to me as well as those who continue to do so. I will leave you to it while I go off and create more happy memories.

     

    Best of luck.

  • SandyCampbell Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 30, 2012 9:37 AM (in response to Philly_Phan)

    To feel sorry for someone is not a problem.  To use that phrase "I feel sorry for you" is a put-down and it is used as a put-down all the time. There are other ways to express sympathy.  In this case, there is no reason to assume I have led an unhappy life.  Everyone's life is a rich fabric of many experiences.  To assume from one tiny fact that  a person has had an unhappy life is completely inappropriate.

  • SandyCampbell Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 30, 2012 9:45 AM (in response to Meg St._Clair)

    Yes, you are entitled to your expressions of feeling.  It's just that you seem to have no sense of when and where and how it is appropriate to express certain feelings.  Self-righteousness and holier-than-thou speaks from every word you type.

    I think my criticisms of the three questions are valid, and I have other concerns about them as well from the standpoint of security and software engineering.  I am about to locate the feedback page to feed them back to Apple.  This transition was not well executed.  Apple normally does much better than this, so I will give them the feedback.  I only came to this forum to verify that the questions were truly instituted by Apple, not by a rogue application or a virus.

  • mmuu Calculating status...
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    Apr 30, 2012 10:11 AM (in response to Scooby\'s Blues)

    > The whole point of personal security questions is remember-ability as to avoid writing it down.

     

    BINGO!

     

    This is exactly correct, and it points out the problem with Apple's choice of ambivalent questions.

     

    If the questions & answers were intended to be written down, it would be simpler, and more secure, to just create 4 passwords - main password plus challenge passwords 1, 2 & 3.

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,010 points)
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    Apr 30, 2012 10:11 AM (in response to SandyCampbell)

    Go get a life of your own.

     

    (Sound familiar?)

  • JimHdk Level 7 Level 7 (21,555 points)
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    Apr 30, 2012 10:14 AM (in response to SandyCampbell)

    This entire thread is a "tempest in a teapot". Please, please, no more on this topic, especially endless arguments within arguments which are totally pointless.

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,010 points)
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    Apr 30, 2012 10:14 AM (in response to mmuu)

    mmuu wrote:

     

    If the questions & answers were intended to be written down, it would be simpler, and more secure, to just create 4 passwords - main password plus challenge passwords 1, 2 & 3.

    Then add those four passwords to the eight-seven other passwords that are all different randomly-created ten-character strings that you are able to memorize.  Yeah, right.

  • katinak67 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
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    Apr 30, 2012 1:31 PM (in response to Philly_Phan)

    Wait. Why would you assume just because this person can't remember their first kiss that it means they are/were unhappy? That's not really fair, or very nice. It's kind of condescending actually. I had a happy life, I have a happy life, I can't remember my first kiss exactly either. At this point in my life? To me it's not a big deal. And it doesn't mean I am unhappy...it just means I can't remember, LOL.

    Stop being snarky. Has the OP question been answered? Because I don't think kissing was a part of it.

  • TnD1w Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    May 1, 2012 12:51 PM (in response to katinak67)

    I got hit by these security questions earlier today.  I'll be honest, I wasn't able to answer a single one, nor was in the mood to be answering them.  I just wanted to download the app.  As a poster above suggested, I filled out "I don't remember", "I have no clue", etc.  I even put down a ficticious e-mail addy because I don't have a second e-mail account.  Now I see that to change any settings to my account, I need to be able to regurtitate answers to questions I didn't know in the first place!  Basically, I've now locked myself out from being able to make changes to the account.  Everything is working OK now, but at some point I'm going to regret these security questions.

     

    I presume there is no way to go in and change my answers? 

     

    I truly can't remember where I had my first kiss.  I do remember the first time I was able to get my hands up a shirt.  But that wasn't one of the available questions...

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,010 points)
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    May 1, 2012 12:59 PM (in response to TnD1w)

    TnD1w wrote:

     

    I presume there is no way to go in and change my answers?

    Naah.  You went out of your way to make sure of that.

     

    You didn't remember what country you lived in on January 1, 2000?

  • TnD1w Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    May 1, 2012 1:53 PM (in response to Philly_Phan)

    If I recall correctly, the question was "where was I", not what country.  Maybe I misread it.  Doesn't help with the other two required questions. 

     

    Sure would have been nice if they'd let you make your own questions.

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