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Trouble with Virtual Box, Windows 7, and Video Drivers

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pandatalkingpanda Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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May 2, 2012 3:16 AM

My specs:

 

Macbook Pro

Snow Lepoard 10.6.8

 

Processor: 2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo

 

Memory: 4 GB 1067 MHz DDR3

 

Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 9400M

 

Windows 7 Home Prem. 32 Bit

 

I gave Vitrual Box 70 GB and 2 GB of memroy

 

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My issue is I installed Virtual Box and Windows 7 fine.


I installed my video drivers off my Snow Lepoard Disc

 

but my video drivers still are not being reconized. I have a video game I'd like to play on windows side but cant even open it.

 

I tried to DL the drivers off NVDIA's website, they wouldnt even install off there -- but they did off the disc.

 

What am I missing or what do I need to do? OR try

 

Thanks for any help!

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8)
  • Courcoul Level 6 Level 6 (11,195 points)

    You installed the Guest Additions on the virtual machine, did you?

  • Templeton Peck Level 9 Level 9 (57,735 points)

    I suggest you post your question on the VirtualBox forums as that's the software you're having issues with:

     

    https://forums.virtualbox.org/

  • ds store Level 7 Level 7 (30,305 points)

    pandatalkingpanda wrote:

     

    I installed Virtual Box and Windows 7 fine.


    I installed my video drivers off my Snow Lepoard Disc

     

    but my video drivers still are not being reconized. I have a video game I'd like to play on windows side but cant even open it.

     

    I tried to DL the drivers off NVDIA's website, they wouldnt even install off there -- but they did off the disc.

     

     

    First off your running a virtual machine, so the guest OS (Windows 7) is just that, a Guest. It doens't have full hardware control to use any other hardware drivers.

     

    Second OS X uses OpenGl, not Direct X. Windows uses Direct X and defaults to OpenGl then I read it's slower than Direct X on purpose.

     

    So in order to use your video game, which more than likely needs Direct X hardware drivers and full performance of the hardware, your going to need to install Windows 7 into Bootcamp and directly boot the Mac into the Windows operating system.

     

    There are some 3D games that can run in a virtual machine Windows, but they have to be very light and also use OpenGl.

     

    Windows in BootCamp or Virtual Machine?

  • BobTheFisherman Level 6 Level 6 (10,610 points)

    When running in a virtual machine, virtual hardware is created. You don't use the drivers from the OSx installation disk. When running the virtual machine install the support software for the virtual machine and let Windows use the virtual display drivers created.

     

    The OSx drivers are for when you are using Boot Camp not a virtual machine.

  • Templeton Peck Level 9 Level 9 (57,735 points)

    WOW will never play well in a virtual environment.

  • ds store Level 7 Level 7 (30,305 points)

    pandatalkingpanda wrote:

     

    Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 9400M

     

    This is your culprit, it only scores a 6 on the Cinebench chart and there is nothing you can do about it because it's part of the logicboard and can't be upgraded.

     

    Mac video card performance

     

     

    Your really not going to get any decent 3D performance out of that card even if it's running in Windows Bootcamp.

     

    You want to play WOW, get a Windows 7 64 bit 4GB RAM gaming tower that way you can upgrade the video card which 3D games are heavily dependent upon.

     

     

    I can play a few very light OpenGl 3D games in Windows 64 bit in a virtual machine, but my MBP video card scores 45 points on Cinebench

     

    I've calculated the virtual machine is about 1/5th the performance of native boot run versions of the same 3D game.

     

    So for Cube 2 I get 40 fps in Win 7 vmed and in OS X I get 200 fps, both OpenGl of course.

  • ds store Level 7 Level 7 (30,305 points)

    Got to remember that WOW is one of those games that improves and comes out with better versions requiring heftier video cards with more performance.

     

    Your get about a 1 on the video performance scale in VB, and 6 if you run WOW in OS X because of your video card's limitation.

     

    You really need 40+ and the only way to get that is with a new Mac or a Windows 3D gaming tower.

     

    See the scores here, your just getting blown away.

     

    Win 7 towers are getting 100 points!!

     

    http://www.cbscores.com/index.php?sort=ogl&order=desc

  • Courcoul Level 6 Level 6 (11,195 points)

    Let me clear a few points based on personal experience.

     

    • The virtualization is not altogether divorced from the real hardware. Back in the Fusion forums we have discussed the issue and a recommendation is to install the Windows side of the BootCamp code onto the virtual instance. You can later uninstall the System Tray stuff and even the updater, but this will install Windows drivers that permit that OS to better work with the virtualized hardware. Haven't gone that in depth with VirtualBox, but on the Fusion side of things, this was the only way to get Bluetooth to work correctly in Windows.
    • The more, the merrier, but to a limit. Sure, Windows will be happy to have lots of cores and oodles of memory (RAM & VRAM), but beware not to strangle the host OS! If MacOS X barfs, your fancy Windows virtual world will go right down the toilet with it.
    • Even if you run the leanest host OS possible (meaning strip MacOS X bare), virtualization costs and perfornance will never equal a bare-metal instance.
    • And finally, as these gents have pointed out, at the end of the day you are stuck with what the bare metal can accomplish. Older machines or the 13"ers just don't have the oomph, no matter what you do.
  • wce11254 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Why would you want to play WOW in a virtual environment?  I have been playing WOW on my MacBook for over a year with no problems.  WOW supports Mac.  It's a little slow once in a while but from the comments I get from other players it's the same with Windows.

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