Currently Being ModeratedMay 3, 2012 8:22 AM (in response to Jonab)
They should be in your Events folder inside the Original Media folder.
However, I think they will have been slightly modified from the original MTS files.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 3, 2012 11:26 AM (in response to Ian R. Brown)
Yes, Thanks Ian, they were there, they are transfered as .mov files, but I'm guessing still in the original format. I am going to buy a firewire hard drive and transfer all my footage to pro res. Do you know how I can do that...changing drives? I guess I do it in FCP when I transcode the media? Cheers
Currently Being ModeratedMay 3, 2012 11:32 AM (in response to Ian R. Brown)
I also found this site quite helpful with transcoding in FCP X - http://www.larryjordan.biz/media-in-fcp-x/. I am curious why people use 3rd party encoders to transfer their footage when they can do it in FCP? Weird...
Currently Being ModeratedMay 3, 2012 1:14 PM (in response to Jonab)
Thats what FCP X is all about. You can transcode your clips easily to ProRes 422 (Optimized media) or Proxy. It takes some time but the transcoding is a true background process so you can keep working and decide later which format to use for editing. Once you have transcoded the clips to ProRes and/or Proxy you can change the edit format in preferences.
To transcode the long gop AVCHD to ProRes you need aproximately ten times more hard disk space, though.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 3, 2012 2:38 PM (in response to Jonab)
You can edit the AVCHD files natively if you want with no ill effects.
The fact that your footage may not be playing smoothly in FCP should not affect the final output.
Whether you use ProRes or native AVCHD is something of a personal choice depending on your particular workflow.
It might be worth doing a very quick short test project replicating what you anticipate doing using both formats and then you can decide which suits you best when you view the final output.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 4, 2012 1:00 AM (in response to Ian R. Brown)
May be irrelevant because FCPX might well not do it like that, I don't know: working with the original files means that you can conceivably avoid a lot of recompression and loss of quality when the final output is AVCHD (or blu-ray) again: entropy would only increase around cuts, transitions and effects... everything that needs individual or out-of-gop frames.
I was actually wondering whether compressor worked that way as sometimes it is surprisingly speedy.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 4, 2012 1:19 AM (in response to rtb42)
I think it all comes back to work flow. The whole reason I have opted to convert the original files to pro res is because it is choppy in the timeline when I'm editing. It seems it's true that FCP X really prefers to work with 'optimized media'...or Pro Res instead of reformatted versions of AVCHD. I would like to work with this original format, mainl because the footage isn't as compressed and hasn't lost a generation...and look absolutely pure and gorgeous in high bit rate from my GH2, however, what choice do I have but to convert to Pro Res if I am unable to edit smoothly? I think Ian had the right idea when he said to compare the footage of both, but again, if I can't even edit in AVCHD then what's the point? I think Apple needs to rectify this in the next update as I'm sure there are so many users out there who would prefer editing in this original format. Is there a noticeable loss of quality, that's what I am curious about.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 4, 2012 1:30 AM (in response to Jonab)
You should be able to edit the AVCHD footage smoothly in the timeline assuming you are not loading it with multiple timelines and and loads of effects etc.
I am using a 4 year old iMac and have no problems though most of my editing is quite simple with cuts, titles, transitions and the odd effect.
Don't worry about generation losses if you do convert to ProRes. Yes it does occur but I challenge you to spot any deterioration even after several generations.
It is absolutely miniscule, like the idea that a butterfly beating its wings as you run towards it will slow you down!
Currently Being ModeratedMay 4, 2012 1:43 AM (in response to Ian R. Brown)
Oh... there I'm getting skeptical. Take an AVCHD, ProRes it & re-compress to h.264, re-ProRes and re-compress and I bet you'll start seeing serious degradation after 2-3 of those cycles. I actually "see" it after one, but I agree knowing it invalidates the result...
Currently Being ModeratedMay 4, 2012 2:19 AM (in response to rtb42)
If you want to avoid an extra conversion step but FCP X in your mac does not handle the original format smoothly, there is another way. Simply don't create optimized media, and instead edit in proxy. Granted, the quality of the proxy media is much lower, but editing will be smooth. Before exporting, switch back to original/optimized. FCP X will then use your original media to create the export.
Or you can edit in optimize and manually delete the files in the Optimized Media folder before export...
That said, I don't think the loss in quality would be that significant, but what really matters is if it's significant for you and your workflow.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 4, 2012 2:20 AM (in response to rtb42)
If you do it often enough it will become visible but I think the OP was thinking of converting to ProRes for editing and then exporting to H.264 for output where it would be absolutely impossible to detect any difference even though there is one.
My point is that some people are paranoid about the mere idea of generation losses.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 4, 2012 4:22 AM (in response to Luis Sequeira1)
Luis, doesn't editing in Proxy actually change it to optimised media (Pro Res) or does it keep it's original format? If so, then that might be a good option otherwise I should buy a new FW drive and optimise all the media, as it takes so much space.
Ian, are you saying you can't notice the loss of quality at all? I'm interested because some of the GH2 videos I've seen on Vimeo are amazing while others look somewhat pixelated. I'm wondering if this is because of the step down from AVCHD to Pro Res and then H.264. As rtb said, he can see it after one...I'll do some tests over the weekend hopefully and let you know my results with both.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 4, 2012 4:28 AM (in response to Jonab)
Whether you edit native AVCHD or ProRes and then export H.264/AAC there will be no way you can see the miniscule degradation.
If you are seeing poor videos on Vimeo, that is because the creator has made poor ones.
My videos are pretty well perfect but I can make poor ones if I wish by messing up either the shooting, editing or export settings.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 4, 2012 5:12 AM (in response to Jonab)
Proxy video is lower size and lower quality. It is encoded in ProRes Proxy, at a smaller size, and uses a lot less disk space than optimized. If you then switch back to original, FCP X will use the original video for the final export, so you won't lose any quality. If you export from proxy, then of course the quality will be poor, but you can change back to full quality whenever you wish, and your edits will be fully preserved.