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  • 585. Re: What happened to Save As?
    Jezra Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks, Dennis, for eloquently stating what I and so many others feel.  Bottom line, if I've correctly sorted through all the name calling on this thread, is that there's no way to work around Save As (i.e., turn it back on!).  I'm with you; I hope Apple is listening, because some of its customers, including me, are really angry.

  • 586. Re: What happened to Save As?
    Dennis Burnham Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

    this thread started with Numbers but expanded to discuss Pages, Keynote, and other apps too.  the thread title is good enough for me.

  • 587. Re: What happened to Save As?
    Steve Maximus Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    What happened to Save-As? It died with Steve Jobs. RIP. There is a new way of thinking at Apple and it is wrong.

     

    The new guy Tim Cook thought he would be like Steve Jobs, who he saw being hard on the Apple staff and their suppliers, telling them the way things were going to be, and not listening to their complaints. Then he made the mistake of thinking this is the same "Steve Jobs" attitue he is supposed to have with their customers. Ooops.

     

    Steve Jobs knew that you listened to your customers and gave them what they wanted, and tell your staff to provide it, no matter what seemed possible. This new guy has the whole approach the wrong way around.

  • 588. Re: What happened to Save As?
    markinbali Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Steve Maximus wrote:

     

    What happened to Save-As? It died with Steve Jobs. RIP. There is a new way of thinking at Apple and it is wrong.

     

    The new guy Tim Cook thought he would be like Steve Jobs, who he saw being hard on the Apple staff and their suppliers, telling them the way things were going to be, and not listening to their complaints. Then he made the mistake of thinking this is the same "Steve Jobs" attitue he is supposed to have with their customers. Ooops.

     

    Steve Jobs knew that you listened to your customers and gave them what they wanted, and tell your staff to provide it, no matter what seemed possible. This new guy has the whole approach the wrong way around.

     

    I have thought that all along - glad someone has said it. It looks as though the engineers have now got the opportunity to push through their weird ideas that they couldn't do before. Code writers do not understand the way that ordinary users' minds work, Steve Jobs did.

  • 589. Re: What happened to Save As?
    Steve Maximus Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Jezra,

     

    If you do a clean install of Lion on your system, then install iworks, and you never update iWorks you will have it with Save-As and without Versions. This is what I have done. Every time you do a software update you have to do it manually, and deselct the iWorks 09 update. That way it stays in the Snow Leopard version of the software. Below are some screen shots of where you select the details of the update and turn off the iWorks 09 update.

     

    Once you update iWorks you cannot delete it and reinstall it again as the original programs. You have to start the whole process from scratch. There are websites that discuss how to do a clean install of Lion. It invovles making a flash drive bootable with Lion on it, then erasing your hard drive. I did the clean install of Lion to make sure that it worked well, so it did not bother me to do that. This works for Numbers, Pages and Keynote. I hope this helps.

     

    Try this website for the clean install of Lion, this is the one I used:

     

    http://www.macworld.com/article/1161203/should_you_clean_install_lion.html

     

    Steve.

     

    Screen Shot 2012-05-04 at 4.09.04 PM.png

     

    Screen Shot 2012-05-04 at 4.09.33 PM.png

  • 590. Re: What happened to Save As?
    Jezra Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Steve, this is fantastically helpful.  THANK YOU!!!

  • 591. Re: What happened to Save As?
    raftr Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Steve Maximus wrote:

     

    Steve Jobs knew that you listened to your customers and gave them what they wanted, and tell your staff to provide it, no matter what seemed possible. This new guy has the whole approach the wrong way around.

     

    I think it's the very opposite. Jobs never listened to customers, he just watched them and predicted what they would want. Autosave/Versions is probably a result of one of the last orders of Jobs. I suppose he was the one who decided OSX should behave more like iOS.

     

    My theory is it is so half-baked because they were rushing to ship it for him.

  • 592. Re: What happened to Save As?
    Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,995 points)

    Hi Steve,

     

    Just to add a little to your procedure.

     

    Don't just uncheck the update, highlight it and press the Delete key. Software Update will ask something about skipping this update. Confirm that you don't want to install it.

     

    Anytime you run SU after that, that iWork update will not appear, so you don't have to keep dismissing it. You won't see it again until there is a new update which supersedes the one you hid.

  • 593. Re: What happened to Save As?
    stefano67 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    A final note: you can find here (http://www.formaceyesonly.com/2011/11/25/how-to-downgrade-lions-preview-and-text edit-to-snow-leopard-versions/) a method to reuse Snow Leopard's versions of TextEdit and Preview in Lion.

     

    So autosave and versions are definitely f****d, at least for now.

  • 594. Re: What happened to Save As?
    Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,995 points)

    Yup, I've already seen how to get SL's versions of TextEdit and Preview running under Lion, and have already done so. Because these are the only two Apple supplied apps I frequently use, but DO NOT want the stupid things autosaving anything, I finally have a way to move to Lion. When my free upgrade to the CS 6 suite is available, that's when I'm going to start loading all of my apps in Lion to use it as my day-to-day OS.

     

    The only thing I'll have to use Snow Leopard for is to run our scanners and some profiling functions that can only be done with Monaco Profiler since i1 Profiler does not yet have those features.

  • 595. Re: What happened to Save As?
    raftr Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Kurt Lang wrote:

     

    Yup, I've already seen how to get SL's versions of TextEdit and Preview running under Lion, and have already done so.

     

    Notably, Snow Leopard's TextEdit had its own autosave that worked just as Adobe CS6 implementation does now: it only saved recovery data in case it crashed.

     

    Try to force-close TextEdit in Snow Leopard and open it again. The unsaved files you thought were lost will pop-up.

     

    This is how autosave should work. Save last version only and only as a backup option, don't mess with the original file. There is Time Machine for versions.

  • 596. Re: What happened to Save As?
    Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,995 points)

    This is how autosave should work. Save last version only and only as a backup option, don't mess with the original file. There is Time Machine for versions.

    Absolutely, 100% correct! If I could give you 10,000 points just for that one post, I would.

  • 597. Re: What happened to Save As?
    Steve Maximus Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Sorry I said "listened to customers" and I meant "considered customers." I think you might be right about Lion being rushed into service for him.

  • 598. Re: What happened to Save As?
    Steve Maximus Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    See kurt lang's advice to permanently disable the update. Better advice than mine. I'm happy this helps.

  • 599. Re: What happened to Save As?
    Steve Maximus Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Awesome advice thank you.

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