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  • 90. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    Barry Level 7 Level 7 (29,180 points)

    Sorry, Christopher, I don't see this as a significant limitation. Your remark stands, but only within the category 'don't sweat the petty things.'

     

    Regards,

    Barry

  • 91. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    christopher rigby1 Level 4 Level 4 (2,080 points)

    YOU may not see this as significant, but you are presumably able-bodied and in full health? Others may be in different circumstances. Never make assumptions based on your own experiences only.

  • 92. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    DJTEMPO Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I think something Apple is overlooking, and would solve everyone's problem regarding not having backwards compatibility for existing Appleworks/Clarisworks documents, is... WHY THE HECK HASN'T APPLE RELEASED AN OSX-Lion VERSION OF APPLEWORKS???  EVERYONE would be buying a copy.  I know I would, even if it wasn't offered as a "hard-copy" and was only available as an iTunes download.  Don't forget about your loyal user-base, Apple.  At the rate you're going, I'm ready to switch over to Windows for program availabilty (there are Windows programs that will open Appleworks docs), and there are "techs" available EVERYWHERE for Windoze... like... my next-door-neighbor's kid...

  • 93. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    Roger Wilmut1 Level 9 Level 9 (65,535 points)

    DJTEMPO wrote:

     

    WHY THE HECK HASN'T APPLE RELEASED AN OSX-Lion VERSION OF APPLEWORKS??? 

    This would require a complete rewriting from the ground up: and there are a number of problems which would have to be fixed such as the bad font rendering. To some extent Pages and Numbers are just that - similar facilities written from scratch.

     

    I also believe that there is a problem with obtaining the original code. So there is no chance at all of Appleworks coming back. It's unfortunate about the database, which was a remarkably powerful module. Bento, flagged as a replacement, is a toy: FileMaker Pro is really the only viable replacement but it's expensive and complex.

     

    This article may be of interest:

     

    http://rfwilmut.net/aw

  • 94. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    DJTEMPO Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Roger... so what?  They have to re-write something?  BIG DEAL?  What are they in the business of?  To say "oh, it doesn't run under the new code" is just an excuse.  Sounds like they're being lazy.  If they want our money, give us something to spend it on.  They've wrtten "Pages", so write "Draw", and have it include compatibility with old Appleworks docs.

     

    Why is this such a hard thing to have Apple do?  I've spent another $1800 on a new MacBook Air, and I'm finding I'm not able to use ANY of my old documents.  I just downloaded EasyDraw, and it's nothing like the drawing part of Appleworks.  I've been tinkering with if for a half hour now, and can't get it to import any of my old stuff.  This is SO frustrating!!!

     

    Apple... you're pulling a Microsoft.

  • 95. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    Roger Wilmut1 Level 9 Level 9 (65,535 points)

    DJTEMPO wrote:

     

    I just downloaded EasyDraw, and it's nothing like the drawing part of Appleworks.  I've been tinkering with if for a half hour now, and can't get it to import any of my old stuff. 

    You have to get the 'Retro' version from their website to be able to import AW drawings.

  • 96. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    christopher rigby1 Level 4 Level 4 (2,080 points)

    DJTEMPO wrote:

     

    WHY THE HECK HASN'T APPLE RELEASED AN OSX-Lion VERSION OF APPLEWORKS??? 

     

    You're overlooking one crucial point. AppleWorks was an upgrade (or actually, downgrade - at least two great functions were omitted) to ClarisWorks. Although Claris was eventually an Apple in-house software team, the people who originally designed and wrote CW and maintained it for several versions, were no longer around when Apple released AW. So it would not be an easy thing to produce an updated version at all.

     

    In anny case, Apple software design has moved on, and Pages and Numbers are a more than competent replacement for those components. You could also argue that FileMaker and Bento left AW DB standing right from the start, and the PT module seems clumsy compared to Photoshop, Elements or any modern graphics program.

     

    The one unforgiveable thing is that Apple never saw fit to replace the Drawing component of AW. It is also true to say that no suite of software that so tightly integrated spreadsheet, text, graphics, etc, has ever been written before or since.

  • 97. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    DJTEMPO Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    CR1 - you highlight a couple points, despite trying to counter my arguement... Apple hasn't replaced/upgraded the Drawing component, which is exactly what I'm needing right now, and the simple fact that it was a slick, integrated suite of programs.

     

    Apple would certainly benefit from creating it's replacement.  This whole arguement that you and others are posing that "the original team doesn't exist" and/or "it's code can't be transported from 10.6 to 10.7 are without foundation.  Apple is in the business of writing software, and the concept and functional outline for a Lion AppleWorks already exist.  It's simply a matter of process creating new code.

     

    I will PAY for a copy of a new version of AppleWorks.  Isn't that enough to compel one of the worlds largest software giants to create one?

  • 98. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (15,110 points)

    You can do quite a lot of "draw things" in Pages. I am not sure it is AW standard as I didn't use AW Draw that much. Go to this site and see what the creator achieved when it comes to drawing.

    http://i-work-in-pages.blogspot.se/p/graphic-design.html

  • 99. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    Roger Wilmut1 Level 9 Level 9 (65,535 points)

    DJTEMPO wrote:

     

    I will PAY for a copy of a new version of AppleWorks.  Isn't that enough to compel one of the worlds largest software giants to create one?

    Not unless you can collect, say, 99,999 people willing to do the same .

  • 100. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    christopher rigby1 Level 4 Level 4 (2,080 points)

    DJTEMPO wrote:

     

    CR1 - you highlight a couple points, despite trying to counter my arguement...

     

    This whole arguement that you and others are posing that "the original team doesn't exist" and/or "it's code can't be transported from 10.6 to 10.7 are without foundation.  Apple is in the business of writing software, and the concept and functional outline for a Lion AppleWorks already exist.  It's simply a matter of process creating new code.

     

    I will PAY for a copy of a new version of AppleWorks.  Isn't that enough to compel one of the worlds largest software giants to create one?

     

     

    I'm not trying to "counter your argument" - just trying to point out real world issues.

     

    The point about the original ClarisWorks team is valid. That software was not designed "in house" by Apple, but was supported by them and eventually bought. As for Apple being "in the business of writing software", that's a half truth at best. Apple is in the business of producing consumer digital products, and that includes having cutting edge software to run on them. However, Apple doesn't write it all, not by a long chalk. OS X itself was largely the NeXT Step OS tweaked for Macs; iTunes was bought in from an independent software company; ClarisWorks was also developed by an independent team (it's notable that when Apple took it over and released AppleWorks, two of the most elegant features - "Publish / Subscribe" and macros - were dropped, though the interface was much prettier; that tells you a lot about Apple). It's notable that in some areas, independent software leaves Apple standing - Roxio's "Toast" being a case in point.

     

    Apple is not interested in supporting legacy software, but in pushing onwards towards the cutting edge. Look at things they release in totally rewritten forms that lack the features of previous versions but have an eye to the future - iMovie HD and the latest Final Cut Pro come to mind. Features are added later. It may be that future releases of Pages will come with more graphics features to add to what's already there.

     

    Instead of 'compelling one the world's software giants" (they're not - they're the world's leading digital consumer electronics company) to re-release AppleWorks, why not try out Pages and Numbers, and then see what's missing and see if others agree with you; then you could request those features be added, which is what happened with iMovie HD and FCP.

     

    The alternative is to buy a secondhand Mac such as a PowerBook G4 (still a very capable machine) that you can use for running AppleWorks in Leopard. You can pick one up on eBay for around £150. They will also run Safari 5, iTunes 10, and can support the latest Magic Mouse, Bluetooth, WiFi, etc. The graphics card is ageing, and won't run Adobe Flash after 10.1, but it wouldn't be your main Mac anyway.

  • 101. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (15,110 points)

    christopher rigby1 wrote:

     

    The alternative is to buy a secondhand Mac such as a PowerBook G4 (still a very capable machine) that you can use for running AppleWorks in Leopard. You can pick one up on eBay for around £150. They will also run Safari 5, iTunes 10, and can support the latest Magic Mouse, Bluetooth, WiFi, etc. The graphics card is ageing, and won't run Adobe Flash after 10.1, but it wouldn't be your main Mac anyway.

    You ca use an external harddisk with Snow Leopard and run AW6 on that. You are not forced to use PowerPC to run AW. I have it on my Snow Leopard Intel machine.

  • 102. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    christopher rigby1 Level 4 Level 4 (2,080 points)

    Yes - very true. I only suggested a PB G4 because they can be picked up cheap, which would be a big factor in having a second Mac just to run AW, if your main Mac runs Lion. (I'm not sure you can run SL on an eHD if the Mac it's attached to doesn't support SL?)

  • 103. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (15,110 points)

    Well, I am suggesting it as Yvan has told us many times that he does it!

  • 104. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    Roger Wilmut1 Level 9 Level 9 (65,535 points)

    Yvan is running Snow Leopard under emulation in Lion. Starting from an external HD requires the machine to be able to boot from it, and you cannot generally boot a machine with a system earlier than the one it came supplied with. So Macs which have been upgraded from SL to Lion will be fine, but Macs bought with Lion installed may very well not - certainly once there's been a new set of Macs they won't.

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