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  • 2,535. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,455 points)

    alto2 wrote:

     

    Looks like we have two completely contradictory accounts here of what Apple is saying.

    Fortunately coins have 2 sides

  • 2,536. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    alto2 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    alto2 wrote:

     

    Looks like we have two completely contradictory accounts here of what Apple is saying.

    Fortunately coins have 2 sides

     

    And your point would be...?

  • 2,537. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,455 points)

    alto2 wrote:

     

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    alto2 wrote:

     

    Looks like we have two completely contradictory accounts here of what Apple is saying.

    Fortunately coins have 2 sides

     

    And your point would be...?

    If you need that explained I can't help you further

  • 2,538. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Rayced Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Franc_Iphone wrote:

     

    As one of the early posters on this problem after buying my MACbook Pro in June 2011, I have worked with Apple (CEO's office, engineering etc.,) for months. We swapped test programs and system logs/dumps. However in about January, APPLE told me they can not fix this problem. It is as a result of the firmware and O/S consuming more battery when running certain applications that have not been rewritten for the new GPU code under LION O/S. Theire words were "some older applications are not efficient with the new GPU". I found nothing online and even asked Apple, where on line, advice for developers around hor to make their GPU code / interface efficient, and they couldn't tell me. Makes me wonder if it was all lies. They DID however admit the problem and DID say a fix will not be forthcoming.

     

    For some reason, not everyone is unhappy with their battery life but I like many others, get little over 3 hours on a good day.

     

    What was the most amazing for me is that I can nearly always get about 50% MORE battery life IF I run GFXcardstatus. Even after telling Apple this, they said there is no fix forthcoming from Apple (it's been a year now so don't bother trying). With GFXcardstatus running, you can tell this program not to let any programs switch to the Discrete GPU processor! Apple hired the GFXcardstatus developer around Christmas but it hasn't made any different. Those with battery problems have also tried the new MOUNTAIN LION didn't make any difference either

     

    There's something here which doesn't fit the situation of Laptops origiannly shipping SL as OS X version, which will get better battery life performance —if kept or downgraded to 10.6.7— than with Lion.

    About ML I don't have any clue cause I won't install it till it's gonna be delivery ready.

  • 2,539. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    alto2 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    alto2 wrote:

     

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    alto2 wrote:

     

    Looks like we have two completely contradictory accounts here of what Apple is saying.

    Fortunately coins have 2 sides

     

    And your point would be...?

    If you need that explained I can't help you further

     

    I'm fully aware that your point is just to be a nudge. I had thought maybe--just maybe--you might have an actual contribution to the discussion. Thanks for making clear that you don't.

  • 2,540. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,455 points)

    Unlike you I understand that 2 contradictory posts add no contribution. Toss a coin.

  • 2,541. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,205 points)

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    If you need that explained I can't help you further

    Careful Csound1 or Heckle and Jeckle will attack you with cheese! This is their thread as you can tell by they alone keeping this thread going while most have gone out and actually done something about their problem and numbers in these threads have fallen away dramatically. But they can't see through the cheese (whatever that means in their part of the world). This comment will no doubt be followed by a page and a half of more immature rantings.

     

    Good Luck

     

    Pete

  • 2,542. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    alto2 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    Unlike you I understand that 2 contradictory posts add no contribution. Toss a coin.

     

    If you have nothing to contribute, why are you still here? Two contradictory posts DO contribute to the discussion, as they offer two possibilities to consider. One may be true. Neither may be true. Or each may be true for some, especially in this case where we see people reporting differing phenomena and potential solutions.

     

    So I ask again: if you have nothing to contribute, why are you still here? If you can't add anything, don't. (Also? Aassuming what I do and don't comprehend is further proof that you're only here to cause trouble, so thanks for clearing up any remaining doubt.)

  • 2,543. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Rayced Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    alto2 wrote:

     

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    Unlike you I understand that 2 contradictory posts add no contribution. Toss a coin.

     

    If you have nothing to contribute, why are you still here? Two contradictory posts DO contribute to the discussion, as they offer two possibilities to consider. One may be true. Neither may be true. Or each may be true for some, especially in this case where we see people reporting differing phenomena and potential solutions.

     

    So I ask again: if you have nothing to contribute, why are you still here? If you can't add anything, don't. (Also? Aassuming what I do and don't comprehend is further proof that you're only here to cause trouble, so thanks for clearing up any remaining doubt.)

    Cheese it's awesome trick to trap rats…

  • 2,544. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    alto2 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    Careful Csound1 or Heckle and Jeckle will attack you with cheese! This is their thread as you can tell by they alone keeping this thread going while most have gone out and actually done something about their problem and numbers in these threads have fallen away dramatically. But they can't see through the cheese (whatever that means in their part of the world). This comment will no doubt be followed by a page and a half of more immature rantings.

     

    Good Luck

     

    Pete

     

    Oh, the Cheese is back to accuse everyone else of doing what he does. I thought you'd found someone else to bully, Pete. Kindly refrain from deciding what I have and haven't tried to solve my problem, especially when you know there's no current solution. Of course, if you were to do that, it'd be a little more difficult to stay up there on your high horse where you can judge everyone else but be blameless yourself.

  • 2,545. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,205 points)

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    This comment will no doubt be followed by a page and a half of more immature rantings.

     

    Good Luck

     

    Pete

    Told you! lol  Here they go. Cannot help themselves (nor anybody else by their record of helpful answers).

     

    Pete

  • 2,546. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    marysplacestudio Level 2 Level 2 (385 points)

    For the record, for those who are coming here to find a solution, I bought three brand new MacBook Pros last year. The two with Lion pre-installed had significantly lower battery life using just the built-in software. The third MacBook Pro had Snow Leopard (it was manufactured early 2011). After a year's use, I am getting 6-8 hours battery life, depending on what I'm doing. Adobe software halves that time fairly quickly. Also, gfxCardStatus is a nifty little program that switches your internal video card to Integrated while on battery, which saves a lot of battery life.

     

    Finally, Apple knows this is a problem as they contacted me directly to join a beta-testing group to test, in part, this issue. However, I declined since I knew that it would harm the battery life of the computer.

     

    So if you've noticed your battery life decreasing, you're not crazy... unless your avatar starts with a "p".

     

     

  • 2,547. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    marysplacestudio Level 2 Level 2 (385 points)

    marysplacestudio wrote:

     

    For the record, for those who are coming here to find a solution, I bought three brand new MacBook Pros last year. The two with Lion pre-installed had significantly lower battery life using just the built-in software. The third MacBook Pro had Snow Leopard (it was manufactured early 2011). After a year's use, I am getting 6-8 hours battery life, depending on what I'm doing. Adobe software halves that time fairly quickly. Also, gfxCardStatus is a nifty little program that switches your internal video card to Integrated while on battery, which saves a lot of battery life.

     

    Finally, Apple knows this is a problem as they contacted me directly to join a beta-testing group to test, in part, this issue. However, I declined since I knew that it would harm the battery life of the computer.

     

    So if you've noticed your battery life decreasing, you're not crazy... unless your avatar starts with a "p".

     

     

     

    Note: it is the Snow Leopard laptop that's getting the 6-8 hours above.

  • 2,548. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    rs1n Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    I did not read through all 170 pages of posts, but would like to share my own observations:

     

    I bought my MacBook Pro 15" back in mid-April 2012. It runs OS X 10.7.3. I can hardly get more than 3 hours doing nothing but browsing the web and email. On my old Thinkpad T60, I could easily get 5-6 hours with a 9cell battery even after 3 years of using the replacement battery with full screen brightness.

     

    I managed to find gfxCardStatus and notice that for some reason even when I am just browsing regular web pages (with Adblock and Flashblock) it will swap over to the discrete graphics card. Forcing the laptop to use the integrated Intel HD Graphics 3000 GPU instead of the discrete ATI GPU is the only way that the battery lasts anywhere beyond 3 hours.

     

    I do not understand why Apple does not have a smarter algorithm for switching between the Intel GPU and the discrete GPU. Even running something as silly X11 with only an xterm window will sometime trigger the discrete GPU. In the meantime, gfxCardStatus is an adequate workaround.

  • 2,549. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Jon Baumgartner Level 2 Level 2 (205 points)

    I installed 10.7.4 last night, and I'm noticing a difference. The estimated time remaining in the menubar (I know some of you will get up in arms about how this is not a valid test, etc. I don't want to get into that. I'm just telling you what I'm seeing) has jumped up from usually around 3 hours to about 6 hours. That's at idle time, and it's a big jump for me. Right now, as I'm typing, I see 3:43 in the menubar, which isn't wonderful (far less than the 8 hours or so that was advertized), but is better than the 2-3 hours I was seeing previous. Obviously I haven't had time to see if this makes any difference, but I'm just putting it out there.

     

    Has anyone else made the jump to 10.7.4? Any changes?