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Yaaweehoo Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

Hello,

 

I was wondering if the new iPad could be made to work with the United Kingdoms frequency band for the eagerly anticipated 4G network.

 

This question come into thought when I remembered about the iPhone's previous frequency tweaks issued by the carrier and related services and so I thought wouldn't it be possible to shift or add another accepted frequency for the new iPad so it can work in the UK under 4G because if this was confirmed apple would turn the thoughts of so many unhappy UK customers who purchased their new iPad. (Personally I'm happy and optimistic about my purchase and look forward to a patch of sort)

 

My suggestion is that they attempt to roll out a software patch similar to the ones used on the iPhone as mentioned above. Also seeing as it is capable of connecting to a verity of frequency's around the world, shouldn't it be able to adjust and use the planned alternative frequency used by the United Kingdom?

 

Thanks to all who spend their time reading and replying to this message and I look forward to your replies.

 

Any information would be helpful.

 

N.B. If it's not possible do you think apple would allow exchanges of said apple iPads when a new compatible model is released? As I do not wish to send mine back for a refund just yet. Loving the new spec's a bit too much.

 

Thanks,

George Barnes

  • 1. Re: iPad 4G and software patch (Question related to UK and 4G coverage)
    Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (74,870 points)

    Yaaweehoo wrote:

     

    This question come into thought when I remembered about the iPhone's previous frequency tweaks issued by the carrier and related services

    What "tweaks" or patches do you think were provded by the carrier for the iPhone?

    It's an Apple product and an Apple OS. They are not gonna allow a carrier to patch their OS.

    If it's not possible do you think apple would allow exchanges of said apple iPads when a new compatible model is released?

    No, they will not allow you to exchange for a new model.

  • 2. Re: iPad 4G and software patch (Question related to UK and 4G coverage)
    Yaaweehoo Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    I'm not sure what changes my carrier had made in the past(no details where disclosed only that a carrier update was avalible) but it affected connections to the edge band at the time and improved stability. This was with O2.

     

    I just have the notion that there's a possibility for a software patch somewhere, some how.

     

    Following the above response of mine I done some quick research and found out that USA use 4G LTE specifically and UK use HSPA+ which is used in conjunction with 4G (wikipedia claims its used with some 4G networks). That explains our average of 46Mb/s on 3G networks, but could it open up a potential window for the latest iPad?

     

    May think of asking OFCOM if no one can confirm my theory.

  • 3. Re: iPad 4G and software patch (Question related to UK and 4G coverage)
    Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (74,870 points)

    These are updates from Apple to update settings on the iPhone for certain carriers.

     

    The iPAd 3 already uses HSPA+.

  • 4. Re: iPad 4G and software patch (Question related to UK and 4G coverage)
    Yaaweehoo Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Re-read my reply for your last comment. I already know that the 3rd Generation iPad supports HSPA+ I was pondering if they'll utilize it for 4G in the UK. (4G and 4G LTE are separate bands fyi)

     

    I'll re-write my question - with HSPA+ on the new iPad will it work with UK bands when 4G hits the streets seeing as its used in conjunction with 4G and 3G.

     

    Gotta' get more people commenting on here, require those with expertise or in depth knowledge on the matter.

  • 5. Re: iPad 4G and software patch (Question related to UK and 4G coverage)
    BobTheFisherman Level 6 Level 6 (10,970 points)

    Yaaweehoo wrote:

     

    Re-read my reply for your last comment. I already know that the 3rd Generation iPad supports HSPA+ I was pondering if they'll utilize it for 4G in the UK. (4G and 4G LTE are separate bands fyi)

     

    I'll re-write my question - with HSPA+ on the new iPad will it work with UK bands when 4G hits the streets seeing as its used in conjunction with 4G and 3G.

     

    Gotta' get more people commenting on here, require those with expertise or in depth knowledge on the matter.

    The specs are very clear http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

     

    Any other discussion about the issue is just speculation. Speculation about upcoming technology and products is expressly forbidden by this forum's TOU https://discussions.apple.com/static/apple/tutorial/tou.html. So you won't get more people commenting on here.

  • 6. Re: iPad 4G and software patch (Question related to UK and 4G coverage)
    Yaaweehoo Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Why does no one READ my post before assuming rubbish!

     

    I'm not speculating about new hardware, I'm discussing a POTENTIAL release of a firmware update to enable the use of 4G coverage under the HSPA+ UK frequency's..

     

    Please read before posting people!

     

    Edit:

     

    Just to let people know, this post is not about new hardware or technology it is about the upcoming HSPA+ network currently being tested in London by O2 and possibly other carriers. (Confirmed on O2's home page)

     

    Please research, confirm and read before replying!

     

    Edit #2:

     

    If any one on here lives in London (specifically closer to the center of London) and own's the latest iPad does it work with the O2 test frequencies (Unsure if it's public or invite only)

     

    Many Thanks!

     

    Message was edited by: Yaaweehoo

     

    Two edits. Please read first before assuming things.

  • 7. Re: iPad 4G and software patch (Question related to UK and 4G coverage)
    Peter Gillespie Level 6 Level 6 (11,740 points)

    frankly not sure any one cares since the vast majority of responders

    are US based and your issue is totally irelevant to them and probably

    most others ....this not a chat forum suggest you find one  before you are edited

  • 8. Re: iPad 4G and software patch (Question related to UK and 4G coverage)
    Yaaweehoo Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Re-iterating question.

     

    Does any one know or have any understanding if the HSPA+ capabilities will work with the planned UK frequencies for 4G?

     

    I ask this because some 4G networks incorporate HSPA+ on their networks and I was pondering if it's possible for Apple to issue a software patch that will enable 4G on said networks.

     

    Relevant replies only please!

     

    Many Thanks,

     

    George.

  • 9. Re: iPad 4G and software patch (Question related to UK and 4G coverage)
    pjl123 Level 5 Level 5 (6,135 points)

    Yaawee...

     

    This is taken from the spec pages referenced above.

    Model for AT&T: 4G LTE (700, 2100 MHz)3; UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)

    Model for Verizon: 4G LTE (700 MHz)3; CDMA EV-DO Rev. A (800, 1900 MHz); UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)

     

    What frequencies will be part of the UK roll out?  Find out, and compare them to the frequencies the pad can use and you will know the answer.  

     

    The hspa frequencies are the same for both models.  Do you know what frequencies they will use in the uk?

     

    I think the frequencies are chip/radio related, not software related, although they can be fine tuned by software.  But the place to start is to learn what frequencies are involved in the uk rollout.

  • 10. Re: iPad 4G and software patch (Question related to UK and 4G coverage)
    Peter Gillespie Level 6 Level 6 (11,740 points)

    pjl

    it is recognised that the planned  UK 4G spectrum is not covered by the current New iPad

    However the launch of this "network" nationwide is so far out as to be irelevant to users of this version

    Most of the UK "hurt"  is just bouncing of the publicity in the press

    Hopefully if the odd user wants a refund Apple will give it to them ...........

  • 11. Re: iPad 4G and software patch (Question related to UK and 4G coverage)
    pjl123 Level 5 Level 5 (6,135 points)

    Got the following from a normal google search, and there were a lot of other frequencies mixed into the discussion.  As near as I can tell, some of the operators will be using the 1800 band, which the pad can deal with.  Others may use different bands.  

     

    But my take away is that once the usage situation starts to become clear, then the device makers, apple included, can decide what chipsets to put into their devices. 

     

    From  http://www.store-orange.co.uk/orange-4g-network.html

     

    In addition to the trial in Cornwall, Orange and Everything Everywhere will trial new 4G LTE technology in Bristol. This trial will begin in April, and will use the 1800 MHz frequency. All of this data will enable Orange to gain enough data to roll out a successful 4G network as soon as possible.

     

    From http://4gtalk.co.uk/

     

    LTE at 600Mhz and 700Mhz?

    March 29, 2012 in Spectrum with 0 Comments

     

    Ofcom is considering releasing extra spectrum in the 600Mhz and 700Mhz bands in order to accommodate an increase in demand for mobile data.

     

    These frequencies are currently used for TV broadcasting, however a re-plan could release space for LTE in the future.

     

    The release of 700Mhz for LTE could be quite useful. It is one of the frequencies used in the USA for LTE, so there should be a decent number of devices that support it. The 600Mhz, however, would probably be less useful.

     

    These plans won’t have any effect on the upcoming spectrum auctions, however, as the earliest Ofcom is looking at releasing this spectrum is 2018. That is, if Ofcom manages to get the 800Mhz auctions done before then.

  • 12. Re: iPad 4G and software patch (Question related to UK and 4G coverage)
    Yaaweehoo Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    May I begin by thanking you for a proper reply!

     

    I'll have to find out about the specifics with the UK frequencies as I've had no luck just yet.

     

    Following your part about the fine tuning, my thought is that if the frequencies are similar or within a significant range could it be possible to bump them into a useable frequency?

     

    I'll have a good surf around again and see if I can't pull anything up. If I find something I'll reply to you again.

    Hopefully if I can find any beneficial information it will prove useful not only for me but many others.

     

    Thanks again,

     

    George

     

    N.b. According to Wikipedia HSPA+ has its own predefined frequencies so does 4G LTE, just a matter of finding the details.

     

    Final note: I'm not trying to waste any ones time, I merely posed on here in attempt to attract the attention of others with the objective to find a solution through the collaboration of all you apple heads :)

  • 13. Re: iPad 4G and software patch (Question related to UK and 4G coverage)
    Yaaweehoo Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Just saw your reply pop up. Thank you so much for the information.

  • 14. Re: iPad 4G and software patch (Question related to UK and 4G coverage)
    Peter Gillespie Level 6 Level 6 (11,740 points)

    These plans won’t have any effect on the upcoming spectrum auctions, however, as the earliest Ofcom is looking at releasing this spectrum is 2018. That is, if Ofcom manages to get the 800Mhz auctions done before then.

    .

     

    Exactly and how many New iPads will still be in the hands of those that are

    4G aware even then

     

     

    "4G is a mess in UK and despite the trials you mention ,the Cornwall one is largely

    political due to the sparcity of normal broadband at any usable speed ,

    4G is hoped to provide a working alternative ,which it probably will

    This is all "a storm in a teacup"

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