Currently Being ModeratedMay 23, 2012 12:59 PM (in response to Micropechis)
Hm. Others may have different responses, but my first question is: can you start over, and instead of importing as top-level Projects with dependent Albums, import as a Folder structure with bottom-level Projects?
For various reasons, this is preferable.
Among the reasons: every Image must be in one and in only one Project. Files get imported into Projects, not into Albums.
For more head-scratching, you might consider separating your Library into an Image storage branch, and an Image retrieval branch. The storage branch would contain all the Projects. The retrieval branch could be fully and subtly constructed from Folders, Albums, and Smart Albums. Remember that while each Image must be in one and be in only one Project, any Image can be in as many Albums as you want. Separating storage from retrieval helps keep you from tripping over the "must be in one and only one Project" limitation as you build the most useful retrieval structure you can.
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Currently Being ModeratedMay 23, 2012 1:10 PM (in response to Kirby Krieger)
That was how I started out, with the Folder and Projects option, but I did not like it and started over with Projects and Albums and here is why.
This is a library of biological (wildlife) images and it is arranged using the taxonomic hierarchy which lends itself well to organising images. There are a number of Families, each containing a number of Genera, each containing a number of Species. If I had Projects at the lower end my browser would be full of hundreds of projects, whereas I much prefer a few projects, the Families. My other digital photography Aperture libraries are arranged like this without any issue
It looks much like this:
Project Family A containing:
Folder Genus 1 containing:
Album Species 1a (containing a series of photographs)
Album Species 1b (containing a series of photographs)
Album Species 1c (containing a series of photographs)
Album Species 1d (containing a series of photographs)
Folder Genus 2 containing:
Album Species 2a (containing a series of photographs)
Album Species 2b (containing a series of photographs)
Album Species 2c (containing a series of photographs)
Album Species 2d (containing a series of photographs)
Folder Genus 3 containing:
Album Species 3a (containing a series of photographs)
Album Species 3b (containing a series of photographs)
Album Species 3c (containing a series of photographs)
Album Species 3d (containing a series of photographs)
Album Species 3e (containing a series of photographs)
Album Species 3f (containing a series of photographs)
Project Family B etc.
Every so often I will need to add a new Species album to one of the existing Genera folders or additional photographs to one of the existing Species albums.
Each photograph will ONLY be in one album in one folder in one project however.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 23, 2012 1:19 PM (in response to Micropechis)
Your library structure is conceptually sound and intuitive, but you will soon run into performance problems. Don't let the ill-chosen name "project" mislead you into believing that these containers are supposed to be used to model a real-world project.
Projects are containers storing a small set of images. If projects grow, Aperture's performance will become less efficient and any browsing operations may slow down considerably.
Folders are meant to be used to group related projects, albums, books, ...
Currently Being ModeratedMay 23, 2012 1:30 PM (in response to léonie)
Then the Aperture layout is very misleading because under NEW at the top of the page you have the option of creating a new Project, Folder, Album, Smartalbum etc with Project at the top of the list, represented by a large storage box, giving the impression it is there to hold numerous folders and albums.
This is how I have my libraries laid out in Aperture for digital images imported from Pictures, downloaded from DSLR cameras, and some of those are quite large and function just fine. My Papua New Guinea Library is 117GB while my Timor-Leste Library is 220GB.
I forgot to mention, if it is relevant, I am importing Referenced images, the original digitized scans remain in their original locations on the hard drive. This was to keep the size of the libraries of digitized (as opposed to digital) images down.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 24, 2012 7:46 PM (in response to Micropechis)
I think that my aperture library is organized much the way that you describe, except that most of my photos are all imported from photos from Pictures, where I initially import them from my camera. (I do this so I can name them before importing into Aperture, so the master photo has the name that I want it to have, not the cameras designation.) I do have occasional scans that I have added without any problem. (I agree that projects are the highest in the hierarchy, followed by folders which contian albums.) I have 4 projects, with a number of folders in each one, and each folder has a number of albums. (E.G. my travel project has a number of folders in it (South American, Australia,etc) and each folder has albums of the various cities that I visited. There are many photos in each album.) It sounds the same to me as your oganization. I generally have no problem adding more pictures, from my camera or from scans, into any of the projects. The only thing that I can think of that might be creating your problem is a permissions issue. Somehow, some of the pictures inported from my camera into my husband's aperture projects could not be manipulated. Looking at "get info" on them, I found that somehow the "locked" box was checked. Unchecking it made everything normal again. Check your scans for this. Otherwise, I can't see why you are having a problem with what seems to me to be a normal procedure (if I understand your steps correctly).
Hope this helps
Currently Being ModeratedMay 25, 2012 12:26 AM (in response to malachite)
Hello Nancy, nice to know someone has the same train of thought!!
I have just gone back into my Aperture library and typical of computers, what did not work before works now (better than the other way around of course). Using the Import option and selecting checked images I was able to import additional images to an existing album, and I could create a new album in an existing folder.
So it seems to be sorted and working as I want it to.
Thanks to everyone who contributed to sorting this out, sometimes it helps to brainstorm.