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Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,810 points)

So what exactly is the change in 3.3 concerning RAW images, previews and the imbedded JPG?

 

In pre 3.3 version you had the option to use the imbedded JPG preview during import while Aperture created its preview to speed things up:

 

Screen Shot 2012-06-12 at 11.17.17 .png

 

So what's different in 3.3?


Mac OS X (10.7.4), Aperture 3.2.3
  • 1. Re: Previews in 3.3
    Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,475 points)

    While testing in Lion and 3.3 I have not as yet done an import, but I was thinking it meant to use the embedded preview even into the Browser?  Changing only when you actually loaded a certain image?

     

    Ernie

  • 2. Re: Previews in 3.3
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,810 points)

    But wouldn't that be a total disaster. The imbedded JPG is as we all know is created using the camera settings and, usually., looks nothing like the converted RAW image.

     

    This is one of the leading questions we get here all the time from people just starting out shooting RAW.  My image in Aperture looks nothing like what I saw on the camera screen and while I was importing it looked like that briefly then it changed.

     

    If the imbedded JPG was used as the preview all the time the preview wouldn't match the converted RAW image. I sure hope this isn't what happens it will be extremely confusing.

  • 3. Re: Previews in 3.3
    Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,475 points)

    No, once you select any image, Aperture would generate its own, and you would never really rely upon the JPEG embedded Preview for anything other than initial selection of an image to View and possibly adjust.

     

    Ernie

  • 4. Re: Previews in 3.3
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,810 points)

    But un that case you could have a situation where the Preview doesn't match the version.

     

    An example: You import one RAW image into Aperture no preview is created the preview is the imbedded JPG, the Preview doesn;t match the converted RAW image Part of the import process is to create the first version of the image which matches the converted RAW image. No adjustments are done to this first version and it is this first version that you see in Aperture.

     

    So was a preview generated for this first version or is the preview the imbedded JPG? You never made an adjustment to it, you never select it. If the Preview is the JPG then the preview doesn't match, if a preview was created when the first version is created then I don't sse any change from the previous behavior.

     

    I'll be curious to try this out later when I can get to the system with 3.3. on it.

     

    regards

  • 5. Re: Previews in 3.3
    léonie Level 9 Level 9 (51,645 points)

    But un that case you could have a situation where the Preview doesn't match the version.

    That is exactly what I am afraid of. The Prefeence panel contains a clear warning that the previews might not match.

  • 6. Re: Previews in 3.3
    Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,475 points)

    No Version is displayed until Aperture has generated one.  I suppose the terminology may be at fault?  I am talking about the displays in the Browser, which may be Thumbnails.  The Preview one sees in the Viewer would only be what Aperture generates in my interpretation.

     

    Ernie

  • 7. Re: Previews in 3.3
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,810 points)

    But un that case you could have a situation where the Preview doesn't match the version.

    That is exactly what I am afraid of. The Prefeence panel contains a clear warning that the previews might not match.

     

     

    Ah OK then I was right,  what a mess. We thought explaining RAW before was tricky wait till we get the, "It looked just like what was in the camera before I adjusted the exposure 1/2  a stop. Now the colors are totally different!, WHAT HAPPENED?"

     

    This is not going to end well, should have stayed on the bike!

  • 8. Re: Previews in 3.3
    Shuttleworth125 Level 2 Level 2 (415 points)

    We could just tell everyone to start shooting in jpeg ?

  • 9. Re: Previews in 3.3
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,810 points)

    I think film would e a better suggestion. Anyone interested in bringing back Kodachrome!

  • 10. Re: Previews in 3.3
    William Lloyd Level 6 Level 6 (19,350 points)

    True, the preview won't match Aperture's rendering (in particular, for color).  But if you are checking composition and to an extent focus, it may be sufficient.  And now you can use quick preview mode immediately, without having previews that are totally useless.

     

    Color is totally malleable anyway, so it's not really important in judging photos to see if they're picks or not.

  • 11. Re: Previews in 3.3
    William Lloyd Level 6 Level 6 (19,350 points)

    Ernie, it may be down to the camera.  Aperture can only use the camera JPEGs if they are of sufficient size.  There is a knowledge base article with the exception list of cameras for which this functionality is unavailable.  My M9 is on the list.

  • 12. Re: Previews in 3.3
    léonie Level 9 Level 9 (51,645 points)

    I made a test with the only camera I have available here - Aperture does not support the raw, so I had to convert it to dng. With the dngs I see no difference at all between the exported version and the preview dragged to the desktop:

    P11809514Preview.jpg

    The Camera Preview

     

    P11809514Export.jpg

    The exported version, no adjustments.

     

    All with Exposure Program "normal"

     

    P.S. Trying to access the previews from Mail makes Mail.app crash regularly.

  • 13. Re: Previews in 3.3
    Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,475 points)

    P.S. Trying to access the previews from Mail makes Mail.app crash regularly.

     

    Is this only since the latest updates?

     

    Ernie

  • 14. Re: Previews in 3.3
    Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (11,915 points)

    Frank Caggiano wrote:

     

    This is not going to end well, should have stayed on the bike!

    .

     

    iPhoto for JPG "shooters".

    Aperture for those who prefer their data un-cooked.

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