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  • 2,565. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    DrChandra Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    That would be really nice to see

     

    Hello Csound1, long time no see!

  • 2,566. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    drvenki Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    "I have given up trying to have any more respect for the Apple Customer Service sense!  Where are they when we need them? It's an expensive affair and Apple seems to have a deaf ear about this whole Battery issue!"

     

    Done with the rant! now for the serious talk -

     

    1. tried running bootcamp Windows 7 with 50% brightness, no audio/video, normal MS Word and MS Excel work - battery lasted for 2 hrs 20 mins.

    2. on the Mac side, same 50% brightness, no audio/video, no MS Word and MS Excel, web browsing with Safari only on Wikipedia, Gmail and Yahoo Mail - battery fully empty in 1 hr 58 mins.

     

    Now I can say for sure that I do not get what Apple advertises on their website - 7 hrs battery life (Wireless web testing routine).

     

    Now back again on 'Rant' mode -

     

    Having said that, I bought the MBP in February 2012 from Apple UK and it has been hardly 4 months now. Is my purchase covered under Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended) which states that goods should be as described, of a satisfactory quality and fit for the purpose. See Section 14(2)B regarding fitness

    Section 48A3). - 6 months to be able to return an item for replacement, repair or refund (despite what Apple says about the 14 days in Section7.1 in Sales and Refund policy) - entitled to a refund if you do not repair or replace the goods within a reasonable time and "without causing significant inconvenience".

     

    Will I get a refund on the grounds of Apple's laziness (inability) to bring out a functional fix to this issue? I travel long distances frequently and hence a good battery life is essential. I am an Apple loyalist but that is interfering with my job here. Its an expensive affair as I had specced the MBP up.

     

    I am a novice in such issues - any guidance would be respectfully listened to!

     

    Thanks in advance,

    Venki

  • 2,567. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,365 points)

    DrChandra wrote:

     

    That would be really nice to see

     

    Hello Csound1, long time no see!

    Quite so ...

  • 2,568. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    John P. Level 4 Level 4 (1,145 points)

    I don't see anything wrong with someone venting their frustrations on here or anywhere.

     

    Granted, there are Terms and Conditions of being a member on here that may prohibit such activity--that is what unofficial Apple-focused forums are for (i.e. MacForums, MacRumors, etc.)

     

    That said, I still don't have a problem with people voicing their opinions on here. I do, however, have a problem with silencing them. While it may be the forum owner's right and priviledge to modify or delete posts that violate the Terms of Service, silencing that opposing voice only serves to undermine any credibility in exercising those rights or priviledges.

     

    As for all Level 2's and above (Veterans): If you haven't something nice to say, say nothing. Be the example you are wishing to set rather than pillorying people for voicing their opinions. This board is no more yours than it is theirs! Nothing is forcing you to respond to criticism or opinions you don't agree with--in short, grow up.

     

    As for all Level 1's and Newbies: You are not going to get any direct action from Apple on here aside from a message deletion that violates the terms of service. You should contact AppleCare via ExpressLane for repairs, advice, and resolution. Otherwise, you can send feedback directly to Apple via the Feedback section of their site.

     

    I encourage healthy debate and discourse on all matters pertaining to Apple but I find a lot of the comments (mostly on behalf of the board Vets) at-times worse than any comments they appear to be arguing against.

  • 2,569. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    papalapapp Level 1 Level 1 (80 points)

    John, thanks for this post. I couldn't have expressed it in such a precise way.

     

    I want to add something which I think is often unconsidered or under-estimated. Besides of discussing technical solutions and workaorunds, I find it equally important to talk about strategies how to deal with issues if there is no direct solution or workaround like in this case. This requires to take a look beyond the edge of the plate which seems not to be tolerated by some people.

     

    To be specific, for this issue I don't see a good chance for relief and this raises the question how to deal with it. Return the new MacBook again and again? Get one from the refurbished store and run SL? Wait for ML? etc. I personally think that this is what a community discussion is for. In the past years I have made some good experiences here but recently (since Lion?) things got a bit tougher.

  • 2,570. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    marysplacestudio Level 2 Level 2 (385 points)

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    marysplacestudio wrote:

     

    Well, I'm listening to him.  Just because he wants to stay with Apple doesn't mean he suddenly has to overlook inaccurate advertising, poor performance, and hardware malfunctioning. As I've stated several times Pete, Apple has acknowledged to me that they know this is an issue and they are working to resolve it. But it's been a long while and people are frustrated.

     

    Thanks for kindly understanding and respecting the adults who are voicing their concerns here.

    I do not recall answering you. I was answering a poster who obviously can't understand why his posts are being removed and yet persists with hot headed posts. I have no issues with battery life, just an issue with rude people.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

     

    Pete,

     

    I'm not sure why you feel you need to police, control and moderate people's emotions here—most others here are  mature enough to handle the frustation without having to comment. It really just makes for more sifting to the facts for the rest of us, okay?

     

    Please see John's post below.

     

    I don't see anything wrong with someone venting their frustrations on here or anywhere.

     

    Granted, there are Terms and Conditions of being a member on here that may prohibit such activity--that is what unofficial Apple-focused forums are for (i.e. MacForums, MacRumors, etc.)

     

    That said, I still don't have a problem with people voicing their opinions on here. I do, however, have a problem with silencing them. While it may be the forum owner's right and priviledge to modify or delete posts that violate the Terms of Service, silencing that opposing voice only serves to undermine any credibility in exercising those rights or priviledges.

     

    As for all Level 2's and above (Veterans): If you haven't something nice to say, say nothing. Be the example you are wishing to set rather than pillorying people for voicing their opinions. This board is no more yours than it is theirs! Nothing is forcing you to respond to criticism or opinions you don't agree with--in short, grow up.

     

    As for all Level 1's and Newbies: You are not going to get any direct action from Apple on here aside from a message deletion that violates the terms of service. You should contact AppleCare via ExpressLane for repairs, advice, and resolution. Otherwise, you can send feedback directly to Apple via the Feedback section of their site.

     

    I encourage healthy debate and discourse on all matters pertaining to Apple but I find a lot of the comments (mostly on behalf of the board Vets) at-times worse than any comments they appear to be arguing against.

  • 2,571. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,205 points)

    marysplacestudio wrote:

     

     

    Pete,

     

    I'm not sure why you feel you need to police, control and moderate people's emotions here—most others here are  mature enough to handle the frustation without having to comment. It really just makes for more sifting to the facts for the rest of us, okay?

     

     

    What are you on about? There are Terms of Use we all agree to when we join here. You did read them didn't you? For those full of speculation or ignoring the rules then there are consequences for breaking these Terms. No grey areas. I'm not policing anything. I also wonder how you know of those 'mature' (invisable?) others who don't comment here????

     

    Go back and read the Terms.

     

    Pete

  • 2,572. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    John P. Level 4 Level 4 (1,145 points)

    Pete,

     

    Be the example you wish others to follow. This is a discussion forum, open to a free and public discourse--not Animal Farm.

     

    Let Apple police the thread to modify/delete posts as they see fit; that is their job and responsibility, not yours to lambast and dictate to others.

     

    John

     

     

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    marysplacestudio wrote:

     

     

    Pete,

     

    I'm not sure why you feel you need to police, control and moderate people's emotions here—most others here are  mature enough to handle the frustation without having to comment. It really just makes for more sifting to the facts for the rest of us, okay?

     

     

    What are you on about? There are Terms of Use we all agree to when we join here. You did read them didn't you? For those full of speculation or ignoring the rules then there are consequences for breaking these Terms. No grey areas. I'm not policing anything. I also wonder how you know of those 'mature' (invisable?) others who don't comment here????

     

    Go back and read the Terms.

     

    Pete

  • 2,573. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,205 points)

    Obviously others need reminding.

     

    Pete

  • 2,574. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    antonywu Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I just now got to this thread, and not sure why there is so much bickering since argument here doesn't solve this battery drain issue...

     

    For me, I agree that Lion has made my battery drain a heck a lot faster. On average, I get at most 3 hours of battery life from 100%

     

    So just to give you some information

    My 15" MBP is a late 2010 model, came with Snow Leopard, and then clean installed Lion

    The built-in battery has full charge capacity of 6589 mAh with cycle count of 26 times

     

    My theory is that the battery drain is exacerbated by the discrete graphics card.

    If you download gfxCardStatus, I can see that Chrome cause Mac to use nVidia discrete graphics exclusively.

     

    Other applications that can trigger discrete graphics are Skype/VMware Fusion 4. Turning off all the application that trigger discrete graphics can bump up the initial battery life to close to 4 hours. A little better, but not great.

  • 2,575. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Vailfox Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi,

     

    Is possible to disable "auto start" of discrete graphics (ati 6750 in my Macbook Pro 15 Early 2011) when launch Skype 5.8 ???

    When I use Skype, the battery life is very short! There is any solution to this problem?

    Thanks!

  • 2,576. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,205 points)

    Skype requires more power.

     

    Pete

  • 2,577. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Franc_Iphone Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    But for What it's worth, Skype (like many apps) didn't seem to require more power on the same hardware under Snow Leopard. Only, on LION. In past years, this would be called a bug but Apple seems to call it a feature!

     

    And, FOR WHAT IT's WORTH (which ain't much because after a year of resolvng this type of issue, Apple have done little).... this is wioth skype "running" and not even connected in a conversation.

     

    Last but not least, For What's it's worth. The new MAC's give 7 hours - Yeah, right !!!!

  • 2,578. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,205 points)

    For what it's worth, I have. Ever seen this issue on any of my five Macs in twelve months of using Lion. I actually had more issues with Snow Leopard than with Lion....... As you say.........for what it's worth (which seems to be little)

     

    Good luck and cheers

     

    Pete

  • 2,579. Re: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
    Franc_Iphone Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Pete, I am happy for you. Interesting, what issues did you have with SL - I never had ANY issues with Snow Leopard in 3 years across 3 other machines in my company. And yet, we all have battery issues here with Lion. I guess you've help by identifying we must each be doing something so very different. You are lucky (as I was with SL).


    Perhaps apple could call on you and compare our machines. LOL. Apple admitted to me, the problem is with the GPU switching (which, by running GFXcardstatus, increases battery life by 30% - good but not back to SL). Some apps are just bad with the new GPU code but there's no spec out there for developers to "fix it" - per the SKYP example quoited here by the poster. Apple have agreed (Tim Cooks's office), replicating what GFX is doing as an option in Apple would be a good idea. They have changed the GPU from AMD in the new machines - perhaps with good reason.

     

    Fingers crossed although it doesn't help with my $4k disappointment nor the others in my org!