Currently Being ModeratedJun 29, 2012 4:43 PM (in response to yudcent)
"I would like the OPTION of viewing Flash if I want to."
I'm not sure why you've written "option" in uppercase. Regardless, you should purchase a product for what it does, not for what it doesn't do, and then complain it doesn't work.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 30, 2012 3:25 PM (in response to TonyK58)
Because Adobe hadn't developed one. Apple did make it clear that they wouldn't do so, but it's not like there is a perfectly functioning version of Flash for iOS waiting around as you imply.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 1, 2012 1:35 AM (in response to PogoPossum)
Oh come on now guys.
You're all selling mis-information like crazy.
Apple released the first ever mobile phone OS, this OS went on to take nearly 90% mobile market share for years, then as the phone space started to slip Apple released the iPad, again the first mobile tablet OS which again went on to take nearly 90% share.
Apple then said "NO" to Adobe Flash. Wether it was to protect the AppStore, limit the device to content consumption only threw Apple, or actually because of the claims made by Steve Jobs.
At that point, Adobe was left with a mountain of different hardware configuration, OS's and manufacturers in both the phone and tablet space that all together made up at best 25% of the market.
The cost to support these devices with the Adobe Flash player is astonishing, and to only reach at most 25% penetration, it was a losing proposition. Without Apple on board Adobe could not reach a big enough market share to keep people developing Flash content for mobile purposes, and was losing money hand over fist supporting all of the different configurations.
So Adobe decided based upon user consumption habits, and facing this uphill battle, that replacing the mobile flash player, with a mobile app player was the best way to go. So Adobe decided to go where the money is, and what people are focusing on in the mobile space, apps, and so Adobe built a way to run Flash Player inside mobile apps, it's called Adobe Air.
This way they could again reach a high penetration, and offer developers the outcome of what was only previously available in a browser, a way to write once and deploy everywhere.
Do not kid yourself, if Apple had embraced Adobe, and the web instead of proprietary apps, Adobe Flash for mobile would still exist, but then there would be no app store, and no billion dollar quarters for Apple because of it, no more ecosystem lock-in, and no brand loyalty.
As devices mature, and take on desktop OS's, you'll see the resurgence of Flash in the mobile space, just like you saw a resurgence of Flash in the app space, today millions of apps run on the Adobe virtual machine aka Adobe Flash Player, that is baked into the app you get from the AppStore everyday.
HTML5 makes the perfect scape goat for convincing users that your not against the web, because 90% of what is done with Adobe Flash can not be made with HTML5, thus the surge of AppStores, and not web apps.
Adobe is simply going where the money and developer time is spent, and in mobile it's not web, it's apps.
Now on real pc's and desktop computers, Adobe Flash is alive and well, and continues to be developed by Adobe, and even has a 10 year road map of what Adobe has in store for the Flash player over the next 10 years at least.
With Microsoft Windows 8 emerging this year I believe the mobile space will shrink, the entire definition of mobile is going to change, mobile device will no longer = mobile OS, and mobile OS's will shrink, bringing back the rise of Flash as a cross platform dev environment on the web.
But Adobe has in no way given up on Flash, they simply baked the player into apps, and it's business as usual for dev's and Adobe both, just instead of publishing to the web, they publish to an app now for mobile. For example Angry Birds and Cut the Rope both are built with the Starling Framework, an Adobe Flash API and runs on the Adobe Flash player wrapped in an APP.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 1, 2012 6:12 PM (in response to johndaily)
None of which denies the point I made. That when the iPad was released, there was no working version of Flash for iOS. Rather than go on diatribes by bringing up irrelevant facts, I suggest that when you reply to someone's post you focus on the post itself. I never said that Adobe has given up on Flash.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 18, 2012 8:43 AM (in response to yudcent)
The original post wants flash on the ipad well so do i. Would love to be able to use the ipad to test various functions that are currently not available to me on this toy..
Even web page support would be better than nothing. Ever tried doing a speed test on the ipad, most of them are flash, and html versions are slower than a wet weed.
Perhaps everyone here should go over to adobe and look at wallaby. Has a great future if we can support this deleopment for mobile flash player.
And as for battery drain, would love some of the drugs you are using when writing those comments.
Currently on ipad you can play flv files using oplayer and the drain is not noticable, even watching a 2hr movie
Gps functions use more power than flv/fla files use
Currently Being ModeratedAug 10, 2012 8:23 AM (in response to Kappy)
Here's why there's is no Flash available for iDevices or other mobile devices. Adobe was unable to provide a product that was suitable to the needs of battery powered mobile devices used for Internet browsing. Existing Flash technology used too much memory, ate battery life, and was buggy. Simply put Flash did not work well on mobile devices.
Oh what a load! LOL I mean, I'm not saying you are full of it or anything, don't get me wrong. I know this may be the politically correct answer but it's a load. Adobe would have nailed them on the licensing, given their past relationship, or lack thereof. Can you imagine? Apple getting ripped off like they do everyone else? Oh no, not allowed! =) Then again, they may have just passed that cost on to us - as they always have. I love Apple products, but I hate Apple - and in my honest opinion everything they sell is overpriced. Good products, but overpriced.
The bottom line is this.. If I chose to run Flash on my iPad and run the battery down quicker, that's a risk >I< should be allowed to take. Flash may be on it's way out but it doesn't take a Steve Jobs to figure out that it will indeed be around for a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time to come because everyone in the world isn't going to jump up and revamp everything on their website in any short order. That's what Apple seems to forget, they aren't the only manufacturer out there. Just because they lock something out of their platform doesn't mean the entire world is going to run and do the same thing just because Apple did.
I bought my iPad 2 and found myself really ****** because I was restricted from viewing a TON of websites that I frequent. So in the end, everything BUT Apple runs flash. I bought an Android. Problem solved. If I want to run buggy apps and run the battery down, it's none of anyones business. I ended up selling off 40 iPads from the office and replacing them with $200 Vizio VTab1008s and m end users have never been happier. I kept a few of the iPads around but nobody ever checks them out unless the VTabs are all checked out. LOL
Currently Being ModeratedAug 10, 2012 8:29 AM (in response to corbryant)
LOL all you want, the last laugh will not be yours......
Official Flash support for Android 4.1 Jelly Bean devices will not be available, Adobe has confirmed, with the company pulling Flash from the Google Play store altogether after August 15, reports SlashGear’s Chris Davies. The decision follows Adobe’s adoption of HTML5 for mobile platforms rather than Flash last year, also means that updates to Flash Mobile on Android devices will become more sporadic.
In a statement, Adobe said, “Beginning August 15th we will use the configuration settings in the Google Play Store to limit continued access to Flash Player updates to only those devices that have Flash Player already installed.”
Currently Being ModeratedAug 10, 2012 12:23 PM (in response to gyrhead)
Actually you are quite wrong. The last laugh WILL be mine because I don't HAVE to upgrade my Android devices to their new OS - should they come out with a version that restricts Flash from even being installed, and I will always be able to run Flash by installing an old version. There will always be legacy versions of Flash available, updates or not.
I will happily give up having the latest Android version so that I can continue to see everything that is available in Flash on the web. Someday that won't be necessary when everyone finally does pull their flash off their site, but I'll be damned if Apple is going to deny me access to so much content this soon. They're ahead of themselves on this one. There is still A LOT of flash out there, and will be for years to come.
Currently Being ModeratedAug 10, 2012 12:39 PM (in response to corbryant)
Yes, and the legacy versions of Flash are riddled with security holes, that is why there are so many updates to Flash and point releases all the time. It is obvious that you are fixated on this issue and a rational discourse is probably not possible. I wish you the best.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 1, 2012 7:20 AM (in response to yudcent)
Without all these philosophical discussions.... i need to constantly visit web conference sites and many of them use Flash. So I downloaded from the AppStore a game browser called iSwifter, it's free and works like a charm.
So, if you need Flash on your iPad, I recommend iSwifter. Just pay attention to the 'Enable Flash' button and the keyboard icon, when your input is needed, while using Flash.. @rodrigonavarro2
Currently Being ModeratedSep 2, 2012 8:16 AM (in response to Xanderstone12)
I agree. It's interesting to hear everyone's opinions and beliefs on the whole issue but it's still very frustrating to have this great device (iPad) yet not be able to access several sites every day because of the issue. There are those who say "quit complaining and go buy an Android then!" we'll, good for them if they can do that but I just can't justify spending money to have two devices when I am strapped with a mortgage and all the other expenses every month. Although I really hate to admit it, I'm broke most of the time and simply can't afford another "luxury" at this time. Plus, other than the lack of access to sites requiring Flash, I love my iPad! I just wish all the arguing back and forth about the reasons why would stop and someone would just develop an app for the iPad that can utilize Flash when we iPad customers want access to sites that require it! If in fact Flash is going to be around for years and companies are not simply going to go reconfigure/design their websites to HTML5 immediately, then why can't someone just develop an optimal app and not tell us Apple customers to quit b****ing and go buy something else?! Frankly, I think that attitude is arrogant and unfair. Just my two cents, for what little it's worth, as I'm sure some of you will retort.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 2, 2012 8:21 AM (in response to RodNav)
Thanks, RodNav, for the recommendation. I'll go try it...but some say it doesn't always work for many of the Flash sites. But I'm willing to check it out...so maybe I can quit b****ing! :). Let's hope!