Currently Being ModeratedJun 28, 2012 10:13 AM (in response to FatMac\>MacPro)
So does this mean that ML's "Save As" will also automatically revert the original file to its original state and then close it? Or will they still be extra, manual steps?
One would presume so, otherwise you're just doing a Duplicate in a different manner. But as already noted, those who know are under an NDA and can't say. We'll all find out fairly quickly.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 28, 2012 11:04 PM (in response to Kurt Lang)
Hmm, more complex than I thought and 'Duplicate' is slow I grant you but it is working for me the way I do things at least. 'Save As' was just so good and so universal I can't believe removing it was even considered let alone actually coded and put into the applications. Working on speeding things up a little might have been time better spent - Pages has become glacial - perhaps I have too many documents and apps open at once - usually 12 apps and many more documents - sigh, more RAM needed I guess.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 2, 2012 2:49 PM (in response to Dr.Head)
This is the stupidest, most alienating feature of the new look of Apple. I have found the OS completely opaque, senseless and counterintuitive. I have only been practising with it since OSX 10.2, so perhaps it just takes getting used to. Maybe next decade.
Here is an example:
Open a jpeg for editiing. Edit it. Export it. Oops, sorry you can not. It is on a volume that is write protected -- write-protected???????? Yes, it is on an SD card, so what? I am EXPORTING it, not writing to the volume it is ON. I am so ****** off that I have to Export it in the first place, but now I can't even do that once I have touched it.
I guess it is best to go back to Snow Leopard. The whole OSX as iPhone gimick it annoying.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 2, 2012 3:46 PM (in response to pss)
OS X 10.7 changed many things which were standard from 10.0 through 10.6. Why they did that is still a mystery to me. Perhaps it is supposed to attract PC users or cater to iDevice users or both. It certainly has messed up workflow for many of us who worked easily in 10.0 -- 10.6. I cannot work in Lion with all of its missing features, work arounds, changed key commands, etc. I went back to Snow Leopard, but not because I could not adapt to Lion. I went back because Lion is a very unfriendly work environment. Why should I have to change the way I’ve worked in the previous seven OS versions? Lion hinders workflow. I’m not expecting much better from 10.8. Meanwhile, I have Save As and no slowness, beach balls, freezes or crashes in Snow Leopard. I say, go back.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 2, 2012 4:12 PM (in response to igmackenzie)
But I have not gone back - not sure how you do that. I rant beacuse I just spent 45 minutes trying to upload 4 jpeg images I took on my camera because the power has been out here in MD and my scanner did not work. The really stupid interface just set me off. Enought to throw my iPhone out the window! Frustration, frustrtaion! Apple USED to know how to design an intuitive user experience. Now it is all out the window (with my iPhone).
Currently Being ModeratedJul 2, 2012 4:34 PM (in response to igmackenzie)
I use Lion on my MBP for everyday email, writing, research and such. I use SL on my iMac for working. So I’m still stuck with Lion. I don’t want to revert my MBP since that is a big hassle and I will likely try 10.8 to stay up to date with Apple. I expect to be ranting here for quite awhile. If it bothers you don’t read it.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 2, 2012 7:30 PM (in response to Dr.Head)
...Why should I have to change the way I’ve worked in the previous seven OS versions?...
From the 1984 edition of Inside Macintosh: "Save As saves a copy of the active document under a file name provided by the user. If the document already has a name, Save As closes the old version of the document, creates a copy, and displays the copy in the window. If the document is untitled, Save As saves the original document under the specified name. The active document remains active."
Why should I have to change the way I've worked on the Macintosh since day one?
Currently Being ModeratedJul 2, 2012 11:33 PM (in response to Dr.Head)
Currently Being ModeratedJul 3, 2012 12:34 AM (in response to igmackenzie)
Save As will not be the same, we already know the key command is different. It remains to be seen how it works. Any repeating is responding to a different post. Save As is less important to me than it is to others posting here, but Lion is full of bigger problems for some of us who don’t use iPhones or iPads and want our computers to be a computer. This is my last response to you, in any case, and like I said, if my post bothers you don’t read it, or respond.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 3, 2012 12:47 AM (in response to Dr.Head)
Well, if that s how you feel, you know your solution. Stick with Snow Leopard. All your problems will disappear. This thread is about 'save as', so if if it's not that important to you, then why continue to rant?
At the risk of repeating myslf now, why don't you just wait a couple of weeks, see how 'save as' is implemented, then if it's not to your liking, start ranting again to Apple. Maybe you'll still be upset about having to hold down a different key than before, but, the functionality you are looking for will almost certainly be there as Apple has revealed.
You are achieving nothing here by continuing to bash Lion over and over. I'm sure you know where to leave feedback for Apple on your concerns.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 3, 2012 1:39 AM (in response to FatMac\>MacPro)
Yes, that’s exactly the point, isn’t it? Save As is just one symptom of a badly conceived OS. Bringing back some new configuration of it will pacify a few and maybe close out this thread. But, ... .
Currently Being ModeratedJul 3, 2012 5:58 AM (in response to igmackenzie)
"I'm sure you know where to leave feedback for Apple on your concerns" Interesting statement, just where would that be? I have never seen any place that indicates that they care at all.